posted Fri, 07/18/2014 - 06:50
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Second Cycle (Test/Deca/Dbol), advice/comments welcome!
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
I'm 5'8, 172lbs and have been training for a little over 5 years. For my first cycle, when I was at 160lbs, I did Test E only. . I gained 18 lbs during cycle and kept 12 (with no body fat increase), very pleased.
I have done my research and this time I'm looking to up the ante and add in Deca and Dbol, and possibly Proviron. I will follow standing PCT protocol upon finishing. My diet is on point. I only buy shit from the edge of the grocery store (thanks for the tip sgtstedanko).
Any tips, comments, suggestions would be much appreciated.
Note: I'll only use the adex as needed.
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Dbol | Anastrozle | Clomiphene | Nolvadex | Proviron |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 40mg | .25m/day | .25mg/day | ||
| 2 | 500mg | 40mg | .25m/day | .25mg/day | ||
| 3 | 500mg | 40mg | .25m/day | .25mg/day | ||
| 4 | 500mg | 40mg | .25m/day | .25mg/day | ||
| 5 | 500mg | 40mg | .25m/day | .25mg/day | ||
| 6 | 500mg | 40mg | .25m/day | .25mg/day | ||
| 7 | 500mg | .25m/day | .25mg/day | |||
| 8 | 500mg | .25m/day | .25mg/day | |||
| 9 | 500mg | .25m/day | .25mg/day | |||
| 10 | 500mg | .25m/day | .25mg/day | |||
| 11 | .25m/day | .25mg/day | ||||
| 12 | ||||||
| 13 | 100mg | 40mg | ||||
| 14 | 100mg | 40mg | ||||
| 15 | 50mg | 20mg | ||||
| 16 | 50mg | 20mg |
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AnonNo deca on 2nd cycle save it for your 3rd. Add dbol or Anadrol or do a kickstart with test p.
Also, I've seen lots of people advocate either .25mg or .50mg/d proviron. Some say .50mg is too much and others that .25mg too little. Any of you gents have experience with it?
It dries you out, I've always taken 50 mgs split am and pm, but only ever on deca cycles, so maybe watch out your joints don't get too dry if you're going to try 50.
Also people say they can experience some hair loss and bad back pumps. I didn't experience these sides ever, but everyone is different.
It really ups my libido. You'll be a rock star in the bedroom. Some people will take a few tabs only when they want a little performance enhancement, if you get what I mean -wink- wink-.
Provi is fine, but .25 mg is 1/4 of 1 mg. I think you mean 25 mg or 50 mg.
I would start with 25 mg ED and see where that gets you. Bloods are the best way to tell. Also, pharma provi you probably only need 25 mg, especially with this cycle.
Yeah, that's what I meant vh :(
I must have forgot to include in my original post - goal is around 12-15 lbs of bulk. Diet will be high in protein, good carbs only (brown rice, sweet potatoes etc), and lots of tasty cruciferous vegetables.
I also hear what you guys are saying, and I've decided against Deca at this time. I do want to keep the provi, i've been excited to try that for some time. Dbol was also recommended to me as a kicker by someone I trust.
Thank you all for the advice, much appreciated!
Good rule of thumb is to stop Deca 2 weeks before you end your test/cycle.
Well you don't look to bad and you seem smart... I would just run another 12wk test cycle, maybe add some provi.. shit that's what im doing for my second cycle and that to me seems more than enough..
When was your last cycle? Please state what you want out of this cycle.
I think it's been well stated below, drop the deca and dbol. No reason you can't have similar or better results with a test cycle, since you ran that the first time. Provi is fine. Prop kicker or taper is a possibility, but I still think that should be saved for future cycles.
Perhaps I've missed it but I don't see your overall goal? What is it exactly your aiming for?
If its a similar bulk to your previous 18lbs gained on test e only, perhaps think about dropping the deca and Dbol completely, while adding a prop kicker and keeping the proviron. I don't see why you couldn't achieve similar or better results minus the deca/Dbol.
Drop the Deca keep the dbol and possibly extended the cycle to 12 weeks.
I agree that it's too much for a second cycle. First what are you overall goals? If your looking to bulk then I would go test e and dbol for a kick. If your not looking for the bloat that dbol has then go tbol as a kick. Each cycle you do only add one new compound , otherwise if you have bad sides you won't know what compound they came from. Now if your looking to cut some more then go test e and proviron or var. IMO from your picture I would go with the bulk and had some nice mass to that frame and worry about leaning out later. Hope this helps brother
PallMallWhy not just run another test cycle and throw in the dbol for a kick start this time?
Eat a lot and you could put on another 15-20lbs and not have to deal with the deca shutdown (which is rather harsh as deca stays in your system for a LOOONNNNG time, hell if I'm not mistaken it's detectable in drug tests up to 6 months after cessation of usage.)
Too much for a second cycle and too early for deca IMO.