Second Cycle - Test E + Tbol - Revision 2.
Orals:
I've decided to add an oral to my second cycle. After some research I've decided to go with Tbol over dbol/anadrol, this is due to my high BP I get from dbol and I'm prone to a bit of gyno. Tbol I've read has a lot less sides, its a hell of a lot more expensive hence why I can only do 60mg ED for 1-5 weeks instead of 80mg.
Test E:
I have enough test e to run 600mg per week but if you guys recommend I can drop it down to 500mg.
This is 2x Injections per week. 300mg x2
AI:
Last cycle I ran aromasin at 12.5mg ED and it was fairly effective at keeping water weight down but for this cycle i'd like to go with Arimidex.
As read from here: http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/aromasin-exem...
I will run .25mg EOD and adjust from there.
QUESTION: Do people recommend running from day 1 or give it 1-2 weeks before starting?
PCT:
Standard Nolva/Clomid.
HCG:
I didn't run last cycle and recovered 100% fine, I know its benefits and may look into it but I'm leaning towards not running it for this cycle.
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | T-Bol | Nolvadex | Clomid | Arimidex |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 600mg | 60mg ED | |||
| 2 | 600mg | 60mg ED | |||
| 3 | 600mg | 60mg ED | |||
| 4 | 600mg | 60mg ED | .25mg EOD | ||
| 5 | 600mg | 60mg ED | .25mg EOD | ||
| 6 | 600mg | .25mg EOD | |||
| 7 | 600mg | .25mg EOD | |||
| 8 | 600mg | .25mg EOD | |||
| 9 | 600mg | .25mg EOD | |||
| 10 | 600mg | .25mg EOD | |||
| 11 | 600mg | .25mg EOD | |||
| 12 | 600mg | .25mg EOD | |||
| 13 | |||||
| 14 | |||||
| 15 | 40mg | 100mg | |||
| 16 | 40mg | 100mg | |||
| 17 | 20mg | 50mg | |||
| 18 | 20mg | 50mg |
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Well couple of things that concern me...1 tbol doesn't aromatize so ai is way early...and 2 your concerned about the cost of an extra 20mg of tbol? Not good brotha...put this on hold you don't have the funds for enough food right now. I just started a 24 week run that costs me around 1500 and my food bill for that time will be 3k plus
Yeah let me edit that AI, I've edited it on my person spreadsheet but forgot to update it here.
Its not that I can't afford it, but to get that 20mg extra I need to buy another whole batch and 3/4 of it would get left over, I'm talking $200 for that extra 20mg. (Thats a rough price, not sure on the whole dont discuss prices thing.)
If you honestly think the 20mg more will be a huge benefit for me then I might concider spending the money, But if we are talking the difference of 500 grams of muscle then I might not.
Well you could always use it later but 200 seems pretty steep
Good man for taking advice on board. Enjoy your cycle, now go kill the food and iron
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You could run 300mg E4D. It comes out to 525mg per week. This is what I did for my first cycle and it worked wonderfully.
I also recently switched from aromasin to adex. I find EoD dosing easier due to splitting those tiny pills most adex comes on. Also if you can source it/afford it make it a priority to go with pharma grade Ai/pct.
As for timing, on a basic test cycle like this give it at least 3weeks before starting your Ai and remember no need to worry about Tbol aromatising as it Obviuosly does not so no worries there.
I just made the switch from aromasin to Adex also. Seems to be keeling me dryer to.
Completely agree. Aromasin has its place, no doubt but Adex through cycle makes for a smoother run imo. If I'm dosing slightly higher MG, when it comes to pct I'll hit a week or two aromasin @ 6.25mg alongside nolva/clomid to shutdown any rebound Gyno that may pop up to spoil things lol
Ya that was my plan to, transition to aromasin during pct. how much Adex are you running with your test?
I dose it 1mg e3d along with caber 0.5mg. I'm not prone to Gyno but on the odd occasions sides appear to crop up I'll go to 1mg EoD. Bare in mind I never go crazy high test doses (750mg absolute max, normally stay around 500mg cycle dependant).
I'm only running .25 eod I'm not the least bit gyno prone, but I am prone to fkn acne. I would rather be prone to gyno then acne atleast it's possible to control estrogen the only thing that controls my acne is accutane and I hate taking this stuff and it takes forever to work.
Tbol is and always will be one of my favorite orals due to its properties. Although honestly at 60 you might be disappointed. I found the magic number to be 65-70. As far as the test dose is concerned and the AI get your BF checked before you cycle because the more BF you have the greater your chances of aromatizing at a faster rate. If you are around 17-20% lower the test to 500 maybe even 400 to keep the sides at bay better.