posted Wed, 10/22/2014 - 11:37
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Second cicle on January, need help
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
Hi (sorry for my english I´m from Spain) I´m 33 years old. On May I did my first cycle, ten weeks, first 8 weeks 500 mg teste e + 300 primobolan bayer and winstrol desma 50mg eod the last 4 weeks.
At the begining was 186 lbs and when finish on july 198 lbs. Now 194 more or less, depending on how much I have eat during the day.
On Junary I would like to do my second cycle, I woild like to obtain 8-10 lbs of solid lean muscle.
I have choice this cicle because I want to try the synergy of trem + dbol that I have read on a lot of articles and websites.
Sorry again for my english, I appreciate a lot your help, here there are a lot of experienced people, thanks 
(testex and winstrol is pharmagrade, dbol and tremb will be DP)
| Week | Test. Prop (Testex) | Npp | D-bol | HCG | CLOMID | NOLVA | ARIMIDEX |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 150 EOD | 40 mg | if needed | |||
| 2 | 500mg | 150 EOD | 40 mg | ||||
| 3 | 500mg | 150 EOD | 40 mg | ||||
| 4 | 500mg | 150 EOD | 40 mg | ||||
| 5 | 500mg | 150 EOD | |||||
| 6 | 500mg | 150 EOD | |||||
| 7 | 500mg | 150 EOD | |||||
| 8 | 500mg | 1000UI E3D | |||||
| 9 | 1000UI E3D | ||||||
| 10 | 100 mg | 40 mg | |||||
| 11 | 100 mg | 40 mg | |||||
| 12 | 50 mg | 40 mg | |||||
| 13 | 50 mg | 20 mg |
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I think that if this is your 2nd cycle then do Test E and some fucking Dbol. Your "solid lean muscle" is going to come from how hard you train and how good your diet is. Don't be so dependent on drugs. They are just a supplement also.
LennyFrom what I have read I think you are too young forAAS. If you do not have the ability to under stand why you do not need all these compounds on a basically 1st cycle then you are too young. It doesn't matter if you 55 you are acting as if you are 17. My guess is your not 33 even if you are you are not mature enough yet. You are compromising but not enough.
albert1993if you going to do deca you gotta increase the test
This is your second cycle. All you need is test, add some dbol if you'd like. But it's very obvious that you do not have the knowledge and haven't down the proper research to run a tren cycle, and I'm basing this off the lack of dopamine agonist and aromatize inhibitor, the fact your using nolva with a 19-nor, using wet ass dbol with a dry drug like tren . This is all fucksd up, two methylated orals. This is a disaster waiting to happen. I think you need to go back to the drawing boards and reseach for a few montsj then attempt to run a simple test only cycle with an ai and proper pct.
Hi thanks for your advice, I´m not very experienced, but I use tamoxifen as a anti-estrogen. In Europe, in all spanish forums, like tupincho or anabolandia, all people use it for that. Here some information about 19-nor and tamox:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/591717-nolva-19...
I want to use dbol and trembo because of they synergy as Bill Roberts says:
https://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/trenbolone-acetate/
I don´t konw if they are right, I have read this synergy in a lot of webs.
Thanks a lot for your advice, I have to think on what to do, thanks bro
RustyhookerNova RAISES prolactin sides. Cycle is too advanced for second one. Advise you research and join basic cycle group
Nolva finally out too, here all people do cycles with nolva, but I think all of you have right, I have read about igf-1 and tamoxifen and it decreases GH too, and don´t like this.
http://www.epistemonikos.org/es/documents/8355105dca794cbfcde6884d446b69...
Interesting find on that link, but theres no citations or anything to back it up, just a guy like you or me writing an article.
Now, nobody is going to cosign you running trenbolone on your second cycle, just not how we operate here. And i will bet that if you take this proposal to any other steroid board and tell them its a second cycle they will say the same. If you want help putting together a nice test dbol cycle or something then thats fine, but no tren. Eat right train hard and add some test and youll reach your goals.
Nolva finally out too, here all people do cycles with nolva, but I think all of you have right, I have read about igf-1 and tamoxifen and it decreases GH too, and don´t like this.
http://www.epistemonikos.org/es/documents/8355105dca794cbfcde6884d446b69...
Thanks, I see how you structuring cycles here, it´s dificul to change my thoughts about cycles because a lot of time with this concept. I´m going to try( it´s dificul, I don´t know if I can) do test + dbol + winstrol to get out of the cicle, here is used in all cicles.
LennyYou are going to end up feeling like shit with a nice set of tits. You might consider getting on a donor list for a liver as well.
LennyTo the guy that took my karma. Thanks my head was getting way to big. I needed a dose of reality. All that karma is hard to handle.
Your gonna run 17aa methyls? Good luck with your liver failure goals of 2014.
You are right, I did not realize about it, Although my winstrol is injectable and the toxicity to the liver will not be as large of a concern with the injectable form as by injecting the medication it goes to work directly and bypasses the first pass through the liver completely, I would be taking two 17aa, dbol and winstrol and I only want to take one for each cycle I do.
So I´m going to keep out the winstrol for my 3rd cycle, and use it with deca and test , a most commun cycle here.
Again thanks a lot, I am very grateful,
LennyJust because you inject it does not make it safe on liver. It still goes through liver. You need to seriously look at the things you think are not important. Diet,pct,ai,work out,sleep,diet,liver,RBC,and diet. Things like that. Your cycle is too much too soon.
Dude you should be running test only still point blank
Again the same, ggggrrrrr!!! XDDDD ( I want my dbol + tren hihihi)
I need to think over it
Thanks a lot, your opinions are very appreciated buddies
Get your hands on some of that pharma test and run it at 600-750mg a week and EAT!!! You can easily add another 8-10lbs that way with a 10-12wk cycle. You ran too many different compounds your first time to know what the test was doing and what it's capable of. Keep your ai of choice and a backup on hand incase you need it. Hit that pharma test and a good diet and you'll be more than happy. Your clomid/nolva pct is the way to go in my opinion. Good luck and hit me up if you need any help. Be safe
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Thanks a lot!! same opinion here hehehe
I have to think seriously about your both advices but I´m creazy for try trembo + D-bol
Look at it this way man. Do your second cycle test only. You'll be on your third cycle in no time (add your dbol). Pct and recover...boom 4th cycle and new injectable compound (not tren, fuck Bill Roberts), maybe an Equipoise in my personal opinion. Keep learning the way your body reacts to each compound and each new calorie/supplement/training regimen. Take it slow brother, life goes too fast as it is....no need to rush.
Also you're in Spain you lucky SOB. You have pharma compounds at your disposal brother, you're already one step ahead of a lot of us...you actually know what your injecting!! Hit me up if you need anything.
Thanks KAM1314 I going to try do what all you say me, it´s difficult to me, I have it in my mind a lot of time. I will update with my desicion and results. Thanks for the help
Here it´s difficult obtain phama drugs too, but some friends get the prescriptions and sell me hehehe a lot of lucky
wtf second cycle and look at your 1st you dont have abuse aas to get results i think you should slam down the anchors and slow down a lil. so yourfirst cycle went ok imo was too much and now you are proposing to hit the strongest aas available its insano do some research because i think if you had of done that i feel you may not of posted this up bro
Hi dj460 thanks a lot for your advice, I see your greats results with only test, congraths bro!!
Maybe I´m going too fast but I like cicles only fot 8 to 10 weeks, my testicles in the first cicle went to the half of size and then very little libido despiste PTC. Now they are normal but for this reasson I prefer make strongers cicles but less weeks, I see people here prefer make very hard and long cicles, sometimes harder than mine.
However I´m going to think in your words to see what I finally do, thanks!!
tren will shut you down bro with out a doubt much more than test only and no wonder you felt that way on your 1st because imo it was too much my first course of test only i was horny 247 and felt good 247 just enjoy the process and do it right i think you will feel like shit off what you proposed eat eat eat test only thats the only advice as many have already said get to know your body and how you react before jumping in the deep end. peace brother
All of you have change my mind. But my cicle wold be different of what you do here, my first cicle with testo + primobolan + winstrol was good but not very strong, I only get 12lbs, and all gear was got at pharmacy, all pharmacy grade. Now I have lost over 5lbs, so I have kept only 6-7lbs. I eat very well I´m male nurse and know a lot about nutrition.
I´ll save the trembolone and winstrol for nexts cycles, But I have to spend the winstrol I have to many boxes.
I´m going to change the cycle, thanks again!!
You don't no how to eat, you ran all that shit on your first cycle and gained 12lbs and held into 6. I ran test only and gamed 28 and held onto 23. Learn how to eat first. No disrespect here , just want you to get the greatest benefit possible with the least amount of side effects and impact to your body.