posted Wed, 06/18/2014 - 16:05
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
6'3", 210 lbs, 17%+/- BF, 45 yrs young. Assuming I can keep my diet in check I would like this to be a cut cycle. I'm not sure about running an ai with clomid and nolva during pct. I am prone to gyno so I want an ai on cycle at least 3x a week... and I think I will need it. I have letro on hand as well. Also the HCG, I am open to suggestions as far as when and how much to use. I think what I have scheduled is okay but it might not be.Any suggestions would be EXTREMELY helpful. Thanks guys.
| Week | Test Cyp | Arimidex | Nolvadex | Clomid | HCG | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | .5 to 1mg 2x/wk | ||||
| 2 | 500mg | .5 to 1mg 2x/wk | ||||
| 3 | 500mg | .5 to 1mg 2x/wk | ||||
| 4 | 500mg | .5 to 1mg 2x/wk | ||||
| 5 | 500mg | .5 to 1mg 2x/wk | ||||
| 6 | 500mg | .5 to 1mg 2x/wk | ||||
| 7 | 500mg | .5 to 1mg 2x/wk | ||||
| 8 | 500mg | .5 to 1mg 2x/wk | ||||
| 9 | 500mg | .5 to 1mg 2x/wk | ||||
| 10 | 500mg | .5 to 1mg 2x/wk | ||||
| 11 | 500mg | .5 to 1mg 2x/wk | 500 iu | |||
| 12 | 500mg | .5 to 1mg 2x/wk | 500iu | |||
| 13 | as needed | 500iu | ||||
| 14 | as needed | 500iu | ||||
| 15 | .as needed | 40mg | 100mg | |||
| 16 | as needed | 40mg | 100mg | |||
| 17 | as needed | 20mg | 50mg | |||
| 18 | 20mg | 50mg |
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Mate Will(did) you run that hcg 500per week or ED? Cheers
BangBro2nice to see no tren or anything dumb first cycle. nice lay out..
Hey guys. I've been on eroids for just over a year. Have viewed a lot of forums and gained a lot of knowledge from them. This is the first time I've really commented on a general topic so go easy on me!
I would like to add my thoughts on the hcg topic discussed here. I recently did a sustanon cycle and messed up my pct a bit. Thought I could get away with just Clomid as pct. Stupid idea. Anyway 3 weeks into pct I had no sex drive no energy and just felt plain shit. I went to a hormone specialist who did bloods etc. You can probably guess low test was the reason I was so miserable. The specialist suggested hcg at 1500iu spread between 3 shots a week. Mon Wed Fri. Within days I was thinking about sex again had morning wood and was not feeling depressed at all. We just did bloods again 3 weeks later and my free test is around 800 and it was around 200 before we started. My Lh levels were up too. It had worked quite well for me and my doctor suggested a better pct next time to avoid this happening again. Sorry to hijack thread but just letting you guys know my recent experience with hcg. Thanks.
rocketballzThese guys know what they are talking about so check our their comments bro.
Not disagreeing with the other comments. Just sharing my experience with hcg.
rocketballzRight on man. It's all good. Lot of knowledge around here. I've been getting schooled everyday. Some of its bro science but some of it seems to be legitimate, first hand knowledge. The key word being first hand. If these guys went through it and I'm planning on doing it, I want to know about it.
rocketballzOops wrong thread.
Nice to see someone planning out a sensible cycle for a change. Refreshing after the influx of dickheads recently.
I'd try and drop that BF a touch before you start this cycle, but otherwise you appear to be on the right path with the tweaks the guys have made here with you.
rocketballzThanks bro. I've seen some crazy shit on here too. I planned this out for 3 months before I took the dive, because gear is serious business. I'm working on my diet because I know that's a HUGE part of this whole thing working. The late night cereal runs are officially over!
If you want to Talk through your diet and formulate a plan drop me a line mate.
rocketballzI think I will need some help here so yes I will send you a pm later today or tomorrow. Thanks man!!
rocketballzI wanted to say thank you to all of the guys (and gals) that pitched in as far as advice and suggestions. I think we all, or most of us, have a common goal and that is looking good and feeling good. That's all I want. I will keep this thread updated as I progress. Multiple FRs sent.
AnonSorry to hijack ur thread Rocketballz.
rocketballzNo problem bro. I need to adjust my cycle to reflect the new stuff I learned about hcg. I especially liked the comment that this was a peaceful back and forth for a bunch of guys on steroids! Hilarious...and true. No worries bro.
Did nobody tell him that you can't take hcg during pct as its suppressive? If your cycle log is what your planning on doing then its wrong and you will not recover. Do your first hcg injection the day of your last test injection, inject 1000iu every other day for 10 days so your last shot is 4 days before you start your nolva clomid pct. Hcg is essentially a synthetic form of LH, which will travel to your balls just like LH would naturally do, and trigger your balls to make test. This will make you balls plump back up to full size, which will give you the best chance at producing optimal levels of testosterone as fast as possible. If you don't do this and your balls are still small, you will have to wait for them to come back to size and only then will they be able to produce testosterone at optimal levels. You can't produce a normal amount of test if your balls are still shrunk even with clomid and nolva.
Running the HCG while on cycle can stop shrinkage before it starts.
Ya but that's not what he was planning, he's since changed the layout of it after I corrected it. He was gonna run it during pct which you can't do, hcg is suppressive and you will not recover if you use it during nolva Clomid pct. if you look at my posts somewhere on this page I explained why if your interested in the science behind it.
You are very knowledgeable for your age.
Thank you, but I still have a lot to learn.
AnonI get what you are saying but I don't agree with how ur wording it. HCG is suppressive but only after too many days of continued use. When used for short windows it is purely a stimulant to the LH.
This isn't meant to argue or engage in a back and forth. This line of talk is my cup of tea and truly want to hear your thoughts. I look at all AAS activity a complete waste of time and a tragic affair if the user doesn't extensively know PCT principles. For whatever reason HCG has gotten a bad rap lately. Yet most fertility experts and AAS specific endocrinology utilizes HCG in a PCT or fertility protocol or Reboot attempt for hypogonadism.
Maybe I'm wording it wrong, but if you continue to use hcg during nolva and Clomid you will not recover your test levels as your body will not produce LH on it's own if it senses it's being given an endogenous version of it. I love hcg and think it's extremely important when's used right, but it needs to be out of you system before you attempt to restart lh production with Clomid.
I just saw blood work from a guy following rich piana pct advice which is just using hcg for the entire pct, and not coming off of it, and while the guys test levels looked good and were around 500-600 his lh and fsh still reflected that he was completely shutdown. Now if he was to discontinue the hcg and no longer giving his body a synthetic form of lh he woul hNe crashed because his body never recovered to the point where it was producing GnHr on it's own which I'm sure you know the chain of evens gnhr is released which thems signals the pitituary to release lh etc etc. so while the test levels look good wile on hcg, your not Actualy recovered as the hcg is just keeping the body shut down and doing all the work for it .0
AnonThat is a damn good take on it. Great info your spreading on the topic. None of us ain't never learned too much But especially for a first time user like homie here. FR sent
PS: somebody give this man some karma. My thumbs don't mean shit anymore.
A thumb for iron and a thumb for you. I love the FRIENDLY countering here. The past few days have yielded a beautiful turnaround in the attitude across the board and I can't get enough of it. It's nice to see. I'm feeling the bromance and my body is ready.
And a thumb for you for spreading the love. But use your own thumbs because it I don't want any bro love on mine.
AnonEroids is home to a lot of good sharp minds and experienced users. Trouble is we all take ourselves way to seriously. We gotta stay loose and realize it ain't about "I" it's about "US".
Hands in Bellas! (Ya I'm married and my bitch makes me watch pitch perfect every time it's on so don't judge me)
Oh my, a man after my own heart.
That's exactly how it needs to be. No one member runs shit here. We run it as a family. And a brotherhood. Conjuring up conflict and being a dick does nobody any good. 1 member in particular comes to mind when I think about that, but I wont speak ill of the dead. Aka wonderfully banned. Lol. And I know what movie you're referencing thanks to my damn sister. I'm lucky my chick isn't into that shit Haha. Fr sent jefe'.
Thats true. But honestly this forum isn't bad at all argument wise considering all of us are on steroids. If you look at some of the other steroid message boards there very hostile towards towards each other if they don't agree with what is being said. You don't see that very often here. Thats why i like this place so much, we all get along.
That's because 99% of the guys on other boards are just clowns who aren't being held with any sort of accountability. They just strut around talking shit and throwing bad cycle advice around to anyone without a care in the world. Since finding eroids I haven't visited another forum even once.
Yup thats a fact, they really do throw out potentially dangerous information like its nothing on other forums. No regard at all for safety.
this is how eroids feels right now