posted Sun, 10/12/2014 - 02:01
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Fun cycle...opinions?
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
Looking to pack on some lean mass.
Personally I believe there is no steroid that bloats you up. I have ran almost everything but tren and npp (not at the same time obv). As long as you stick to the cardio and diet you will achieve what you want.
I'm more concerned with the test to npp ratio.
Caber and Arimidex at hand................!!
| Week | Testosterone prop | NPP | DBOL | HCG | Nova | Chlomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 100mg M,W,F | 200mg M,W,F | 40mg ED | |||
| 2 | 100mg M,W,F | 200mg M,W,F | 40mg ED | |||
| 3 | 100mg M,W,F | 200mg M,W,F | 40mg ED | |||
| 4 | 100mg M,W,F | 200mg M,W,F | 50mg ED | |||
| 5 | 100mg M,W,F | 200mg M,W,F | 50mg ED | |||
| 6 | 100mg M,W,F | 200mg M,W,F | ||||
| 7 | 100mg M,W,F | 200mg M,W,F | ||||
| 8 | 100mg M,W,F | 200mg M,W,F | ||||
| 9 | 100mg M,W,F | 200mg M,W,F | ||||
| 10 | 100mg M,W,F | 200mg M,W,F | ||||
| 11 | 500iu EOD | |||||
| 12 | 500Iu EOD | |||||
| 13 | 40 | 100 | ||||
| 14 | 40 | 100 | ||||
| 15 | 20 | 50 | ||||
| 16 | 20 | 50 | ||||
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I personally have never had any ED sides from deca or npp. In fact, anyone I have ever known to have any type of ED issue on cycle ended up being from either bunk test or estrogen crash from ancillaries. I know people personally to have run good amounts of deca or npp while on trt test doses with absolutely no issues.
For me, test never did much other than keep my dick running, so rarely do I run it in higher doses than other compounds that I respond more favorably to in regards to muscle recovery. The fact that people say it should be a 2:1 ratio is absurd. What is more effective is people learn how their body responds to certain compounds and make logical decisions based on that. By learning your body and taking bloodwork into consideration, you can plan better cycles rather than going with cookie cutter ratios just because that's how everyone else says it should be done.
As far as this particular cycle goes, I agree with an EOD pin protocol rather than MWF. I'd also drop the dbol... but I don't like orals in general. Other than that, I like it. Shit, if something goes off or you respond unfavorably, then stop and get bloodwork. It's short esters so you wont be fucking yourself over for a month for the esters to clear.
samripzI hear you bro.
Why drop the dbol? I had some really good experiences with it at 30-50mg a day for 4 weeks.
Tbol is too expensive honestly if you want to run it properly.
I only say that because I don't like orals personally. If you had good experiences with it then go for it. For me, I lose my appetite and it just hinders my progress. I know lots of other guys that have no issues at all. All the more reason to learn your own body considering how different everyone responds to different compounds
be sure to update how that 200mg of NPP is working for ya! LOL
ED issues don't sound like fun to me.
samripzyea I bet
Lean mass and dbol? Doesn't seem to fit to me...think I'd rather have tbol or run provi all the way thru
samripzbut I love dbol :DDD. Pumps are crazy and I believe no steroid will bloat you up. Depends on your diet and cardio.
I know I should go with tbol I never tried it . Whats your experience with it homie?
It doesn't hit quite like dbol (preworkout) but solid and quality...awesome pump on it but it takes a little while longer to develop. Everything is quality gains from it
mustafa5903Yea I thought so too. Ive been on dbol before and always had developed lean mass from it because of my diet and cardio.
My phone sometimes shows these tables wrong but you're proposing a 2:1 npp to test ratio? Meaning 200mg npp and 100mg prop mwf? Like noid said there's a really good chance you're gonna experience some very shitty side effects.
samripzI gotcha. But q..how come when people run tren they run test lower?
Some people do some don't. I ran equal amounts of both during my Tren cycle and it had no impact on my sex drive. I lowered the test by 100mg and I turned into a horny fkn dog. Everybody is different and not one fits all. That;s why this game will always be an experiment to see what works for you.
bigwillyThat shit is a myth and more of a personal preference for guys. I'm running equal amounts right now and results are out of this world. Least that's how i feel about it.
I can tell you the reason why people run tren higher then test but I cant tell you why they dont run into the same problems with ED and sex drive and shit like on nandrolone. Nandrolone is really the only drug where this is a problem. You can basically run another other compound higher then your test and not have a problem, just not deca.
samripzthank you. I really needed to hear that from someone. I think I will run NPP at 100 and test prop at 200...my npp is dosed at 200 though. Hopefully it is potent if im using half a cc
I already told you an effective dose is 50mg/d
You should be! chances are about 95% you will experience sides that you wont like.....an effective NPP dose is 1/4 of what you proposed.
samripzooo just saw this lol
Your pin schedule should be EOD. Not mwf , that leaves a 2 day gap over the weekend and with props half life you won't keep steady levels.
samripzI feel you. Prop eod but I wanted to inject with the npp that has a 3 day half life. So I don't need to do ed injections.
Or should I do prop at 50mg ed?