-1 Four Weeks, the European way.
I know this isn't how cycles are usually done. But I think I'll find out if it's how cycles should be done. This is good reading. Just ignore the first 7 posts and start with the [Quote] quoted section.
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performanc...
And here's another look at shorties.
http://www.silownia.net/steroids/a/12221
It took too long to get back from my last test/EQ. I'm looking for a better way.
Some claim short cycles waste gear because it doesn't really kick in until after week four. Some claim you can only maximize growth with long cycles. I can live with wasting gear if I can gain 5-10 lbs and get back on the horse faster.
Stats
Age: 44
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 207
BF: 15%
Week 1-2
Tren A 50mg EOD
Test P 50mg ED
Masteron P 50mg ED
Caber .25 2xweek
Aromasin On hand
Week 3-6
Nolva 40/40/20/20mg ED
Clomid 50mg ED
Repeat Cycle again.
Evaluate effectiveness.
Can I gain muscle, loose fat and get back to natural faster than a long cycle? I think I'm about to find out.
Thanks for your input.
| Week | Tren A | Test P | Masteron | Clomid | Nolva | Caber |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 50mg ED | 50mg ED | 50mg ED | .25 2xwek | ||
| 2 | 50mg ED | 50mg ED | 50mg ED | .25 2xwek | ||
| 3 | 50mg ED | 40mg ED | ||||
| 4 | 50mg ED | 40mg ED | ||||
| 5 | 50mg ED | 20mg ED | ||||
| 6 | 50mg ED | 20mg ED | ||||
| 7 | 50mg ED | 50mg ED | 50mg ED | .25 2xwek | ||
| 8 | 50mg ED | 50mg ED | 50mg ED | .25 2xwek | ||
| 9 | Repeat PCT | Repeat PCT |
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I have a new plan. Take a look.
My first plan was criticized by many.
Well good. That's what Eroids is for.
Thanks.
Now I have a new plan. 2 on 4 off.
I don't expect rave reviews.
But this cycle is better than the first I posted.
Not sure what you're after here. No one thinks this is a good idea. Are you one of those guys who just has to touch the hot stove for himself? There are better ways, like learning and listening to others with experience. Shocker....
AnonWeeks 1-8
Test P 100mg EOD
Weeks 2-8
Anavar 50-70mg per day
Week 9-13 pct
OK Ok I'm not going to keep fighting the advice. Tren/NPP are off the table. But I am still looking for short cycles with short esters. I'm looking at tren/winny. I'll change the plan after some more research.
BillLumberghWhy not add in test p? +winny or var?
Bill Roberts did some write ups on short cycles as well. All were centered around prop.
I would imagine even 4 weeks on tren will still cause a harsher shutdown than prop. Compound plays a role. Can anyone comment as to why these compounds cause such a harsh shutdown? Is it due to androgenic/ presence of metabolites after cessation/prolactin issues?
I could be very wrong. I'll admit that up front.
But lets look into this a little more.
Why are two 19 nors bad?
Because one 19 nor is bad. Two adds more gear therefore more sides.
Sides are proportional to the amount of gear and the time run.
What about compounding sides due to interactions? You tell me. Are two 19 nors 1 + 1 equals twice the sides? Are two 19 nors 1+1=3 times the sides?. Is it 1 + 1 = 5? I don't know. I'd like some perspective.
But if the total gear is little and the time is short then the sides are small.
I don't think anyone here is catching the vision. If this guy is wrong then it could be a very rough road. But if he's right then this is a revolution in cycles.
It's worth considering.
Finally, forget about the 21 yr old posting. He's copied this from another source. The author tells us he was 48 at the time of writing.
Heres what I see. The orginal poster layed this out for a 2 wk run not 4 wks. Although he stated that they run 2wk 3wk and 4wk cycles no where did he state that the double 19's were to be run for 4 wks. I'm going off the original article (2002) not the repost. I totally disagree with the 2.5mg ed of letro. This cycle has ED written all over it. I agree that short cycles work. I disagree that 2 19's for 4wks is a cake walk. Lipids will be screwed up. He also stated Winstrol DEPOT not an oral (half life are different). But the one thing he stated and most here are trying to make you understand is this:
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I think everyone here has caught this vision but everyone here thinks this is a bad vision cause we all like using are penis but to each there own bro me personally would never run this as my girlfriend would leave me so take this revolution in cycles to the rest of the guys that don't like having a functioning dick
This cycle is crazy if you like using your dick drop the npp & add some test prop. I think that is crazy two 19-nors & no test.
Just because your not running test doesn't mean that you won't encounter side effects. You won't have any estrogen sides but that doesn't mean you'll not have sides. 19-nors sides are worse than test based compounds, exspecially running two 19-nors. You'll get puffing nipples that will burn like a bitch cause your prolactin levels will be through the roof, dick will be limp for 2 months and to beat it all your not running caber of prami. You will have a horrible experience running this cycle. Not being mean, just looking out for ya!
I hope you don't have a girlfriend/anyone that likes your dick. You probably wont have any lactin sides because their will be no estro after your natty is suppressed but also no test. Two 19nors at once with no test base for half the usual time based on two articles. Keep us posted.
I expected this would happen. Nobody is going to read the links. The type of gear is negotiable. But there is a reason behind tren/npp.
I read it, understand the no test less sides idea. I'm more thinking along the lines of erectile dysfunction etc.
Unless I'm misunderstanding, also appears a lot of that information comes from a 21yr old?????? (Dale's stats posted early on).
I like to push boundaries, just not generally a big risk taker these days. Tren / nandrolone recovery can be tricky anyway, this looks like that could be exacerbated unnecessarily.
Bah bs cycle.
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Interested to hear what you think will happen with 2x 19s and no test base. What's the train of thought here?
BillLumberghI ended up doing a 5.5 week prop cycle by accident(aborted-bad test e). Still holding a lot of my size gains 5 weeks after pct.
2-19 nors w out test is asinine b. Chose one or the other and add in test prop IMO. Get some prolactin control for your first run with 19-nors. Doubt the shorter pcts will be sufficient with tren/deca.
Personally I like short cycle ideas. It did work for me but not the standard here.
Letro¿
AnonIs this a joke? No testosterone? Tren and DECA together? All nonos back to the drawing board your pct is ALL wrong too Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 then done pct is 4 weeks
Try this
Weeks 1-8
Test P 100mg EOD
NPP. 100mg EOD
No orals needed all fast acting esters you'll need Arimidex too
1 two decades ago. 30 lbs in six weeks. Stupid.
2 Sten about ten years ago.
3 test/EQ gtg.
4 test/EQ, bad test E.
5 wouldn't you know it... test/EQ. jintani labs is weak gear.
6 ready to break the pattern.
Need your cycle history.
::::::::breaks out the popcorn::::::::: This should get interesting. I'll be watching this cycle log to see how this goes. I'm not qualified to say much, but this is very unorthodox when compared to the typical 8, 10, 12, 14 week cycles that are common in the U.S. I understand and grasp the theory and it's something I may try after I have a few cycles under my belt. Thanks for sharing.
Where is the test? And wtf 4 weeks?
You are still running two 19'nors at the same time.