First cycle need feedback.
Doing my first cycle and have it pretty much down. Just need some feedback. Ordered GP products from naps and they should be here in a couple weeks.
Starting pct 3 days after last shot with the standard pct protocol for clomid and nolva.
I am running the anastozole throughout the cycle because I am very prone to estro sides and have some pre existing gyno from a ph cycle I ran when I was younger(I was clueless.)
Also have a bag of t3 I am planning on using, just don't know when... Any advice on when I should fit this in? Plan on pyramiding to 75mcg then back down... Input needed!!!
Stats- 5'8 210 @ ~22% bf. I will be starting the cycle in 3-4 weeks and will be around 18%bf.
My bf% is a little high so the main focus on this cycle is losing fat... My diet and training are where they need to be.. Let me know what you guys think. Thank you.
| Week | |||||
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| 1 | Test prop 150mg EOD | Anastrozole .25mg ED | |||
| 2 | Test prop 150mg EOD | Anastrozole .25mg ED | |||
| 3 | Test prop 150mg EOD | Anastrozole .25mg ED | |||
| 4 | Test prop 150mg EOD | Anastrozole.25mg ED | |||
| 5 | Test prop 150mg EOD | Anastrozole .25mg ED | |||
| 6 | Test prop 150mg EOD | Anastrozole .25mg ED | |||
| 7 | Test prop 150mg EOD | Winny 50mg ED | Anastrozole .25mg ED | ||
| 8 | Test prop 150mg EOD | Winny 50mg ED | Anastrozole .25mg ED | ||
| 9 | Test prop 150mg EOD | Winny 50mg ED | Anastrozole .25mg ED | ||
| 10 | Test prop 150mg EOD | Winny 50mg ED | Anastrozole .25mg ED | ||
| 11 | Test prop 150mg EOD | Winny 50mg ED | Anastrozole .25mg ED | ||
| 12 | Test prop 150mg EOD | Winny 50mg ED | Anastrozole .25mg ED | ||
| 13 | Anastrozole .25mg ED | ||||
| 14 | Clomid 100mg ED | Nolva 40mg ED | |||
| 15 | Clomid 100mg ED | Nolva 40mg ED | |||
| 16 | Clomid 50mg ED | Nolva 20mg ED | |||
| 17 | Clomid 50mg ED | Nolva 20mg ED |
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This guy really bugs me he gets on here for help but he thinks he has all the answers and trys to correct everyone that tries to help him. He thinks cause he read up on these compounds that he knows everyyhing about them. I'm gonna be honest I think hate this fucking kid and almost hope he doesn't take your advice.
TrnAfanIf a thread pisses you off that bad then stop looking at it. Not worth getting pissed. Do what you can to help but not so much it will effect for life. Enjoy this shit!
I never claimed to know everything about these compounds. I am just going back and forth with people and trying to learn and get other opinions. I'm not trying to argue with anyone, just trying to get the facts straight.
Inb4 op gets gyno, tons of water retention, and loses his ability to get a hard on. I think the better question for you to be asking is where to find a good trt doctor, and a good source for Viagra.
Where would the water retention be coming from? I'm running prop with an AI then adding winny... Also will have extra nolva on hand... I don't see how gyno and water retention are the issue...
At 22% bf the chance of estrogen related sides is much higher then a leaner guy. When your bf is that high you convert a lot more test to estrogen.
I'm not running the cycle until I am at least 18% or less. From there I plan to get down to 12% in the 3 month cycle maybe even 10%. With the way my diet is I am losing fat incredibly fast, the gear is really just there to negate muscle loss. I know I can achieve this naturally, but I really want to get to 12% that way I can have a bulk period before the show.
DCHI1this guy asks for advice, then replies to everyone's advice by basically saying, "Yeah I know, but I'm going to do it anyways...." foolish.
get your diet and training on track.. no gear until 25
I am wanting to compete next year... There's no way to win without gear... And I'm not going to do a show knowing I'm going to lose.
You're 210 & 22% bf. So your LBM = 210-46lbs = 164lbs. "stage ready condition" puts you around 172lbs at present. Let's say you can add 15lbs of LBM between now and then What are you looking to compete at?
ok everyone is focusing on his high bodyfat % i must say i used to agree with that way of thinking but there have been many cases of guys here that would be considered "too high bf to cycle" and have absolutely blown me away with what they have accomplished in a short amount of time.
check this out:
http://www.eroids.com/ebc/cutter
yes it would be optimal for guys to get into better shape before starting a cycle but it has been proven many times here that you can cycle at over 20% and still get great results.
im not saying this guy is ready to cycle by any means but i am interested in your thoughts on this since you seem like one of the most knowledgeable guys on this board.
He did a hell of a good job, but he wasn't the fat when he started. I would definitely put him below 18% at the beginning.
i don't know man, i would say he's 18-20% but its hard to eyeball it... i have seen guys say "never run gear unless you're under 10%" which is just totally ridiculous. there's probably only a handful of guys on this site that stay under 10% year round.
I remember that guy, I was on the judging panel! The difference is under the higher bf, that guy already had a fairly solid frame.
Reality is more problems can occur, doesn't mean they will mind you. BP and estero / gyno issues are more likely when bf is higher. Also more difficult to control if they do happen.
I'm not really focused on his bf personally, more concerned that he's light when you strip away the bf and young, and also interested in competition. I've offered to review a pic to see where he's at, but hasn't responded as yet......
yeah bp i would definitely be worried about with a higher bf and that guy seemed more like a vet that just happened to let his diet slide for a while i guess. lots of times when i see guys say "get your diet in order before starting a cycle" i think of lee priest offseason lol. i think people that know what they're doing can get away with it but younger guys or guys that have never cycled before really need to get their shit in order before hopping on a cycle.
and thanks for the feedback as always brother.
I believe I can put on more like 20-25lbs LBM in 2 cycles. Especially since this will be the first and second injectable cycles I've done. I'm currently putting the funds together to order 300+ ius of hyge HGH. I feel like adding that plus 2 cycles will get me to where I want to be in 14-16 months. The weight loss is the easy part for me tbh.
Competing at what though, BB'ing / physique etc?
I'll make you a deal, post up a pic of yourself and IF you've got the potential of being on stage next year based in what I see I'll consider cycle advice. I warn you I don't see that sort of potential very often at your age.
Gear doesn't make a Champion, your mindset, your hard work and discipline makes a Champion... steroids are the finishing touch to those... you got a long way to go and you're still young... best advice for you, is dieting... or you can do what you want at 22% BF I'm sure you'll win the show with gyno. Just make sure your titties are proportioned.
You won't be show ready in a year from gear use LOL
I can definitely be show ready a year from now.. Idk why you would even say that...
"I am wanting to compete next year... There's no way to win without gear... And I'm not going to do a show knowing I'm going to lose."
This implies you won't come in any place but first if you're not going to lose.. from what I've read so far and looking at your stats I don't see a year being enough time to show up and beat others who've been training on gear even longer.
37 replies and 200+ views on a first cycle post
Here's the point. You have wasted everyone's time knowing what the position of the board is. The position of the community is immutable, regardless of what you choose to do. Your intransigence on the matter is utterly to no avail.
Eroids does not condone aas use for people under 25yrs old
Stats
Age: 22
Height: 5'8
Weight: 210
BF: 22%
No to AAS. And hells no to t3. Even the peptide use is pointless. And why in the world run hex??
If you can't lose fat natty at 22 then you have one I f two problems. Either you have an underlying condition such as hypothyroidism or you are just lazy. If it's the first go see a doc. If it is second get off your ass.
And can we please stop giving advice to a 22 year old?
Notice how I said I wasn't starting the cycle yet. I am waiting 4 weeks. Diet and training are on point... My bf is so high because I started a job where I was only able to eat twice a day. Now I am eating 4-5 meals and 1-2 shakes per day. I got very lazy for a while and had terrible nutrition. Now that I am consistent with good eating and training I am PLANNING my cycle. I understand I am a little young to start, but at this point, I have made up my mind and understand the risks.
Drop planning a cycle.. no one is going to help you at 22%.. post some questions on weight loss and you will get a ton of help from myself and others.. if you can come back after dropping weight and showing everyone you're not just talk then some of us may work with you on a bulking diet and later down the road a safe cycle may be a topic.. honestly it sounds like you have a lot of work to be done natty.. it would be in your best interest to completely drop the idea of steroids for now
You should get blood work done just to see what your body is working with
Honestly I appreciate the feedback, but I don't need weight loss advice. I have been 10% before while natty... When I started my job I lost all motivation and my eating habits were terrible. Now that I'm back on track, I will get back to that point fairly quick.
Well that's fantastic you are dialing that diet in. But that 4 weeks really should be more like 4 years. Max out that natty potential then worry about AAS. I mean if you really can knock off 4% bf natty (well almost natty with pep use) then why do you even need to run a cycle at all????
Before I started the job I was 185lbs and only 10-12%bf.. I am just trying to maintain as much muscle as possible while cutting. I look at this cycle as more of a recomp. I know I am not in shape to start it yet so may hold off another few weeks if I'm not where I want to be at the end of 4 weeks.