Edurance Stack EQ+HGH+Sust250
Gents,
Individual is considering running the following cycle:
200-300mg EQ every week (on Sunday)
2iu HGH daily following a 5 on/2 off cycle (Starting on Monday)
250iu of hCG (Starting on Week 1 Monday) (pinned ever 3 days)
125mg of Sust250 (pinned every Sunday with EQ)
Aromasin at 12.5 mg ED
For 15 weeks
PCT (will begin 21 days after last pin)
Nolva at 40/20/20/20 ED
Before we dive in to critique said cycle:
I understand that to all BB's this stack is severely lacking. But, for the purposes of raising endurance and stimulating recovery, what are your thoughts?
I have considered adding some sust250 into the mix, however, I'm not looking for an large increase in muscle mass.
The stack is designed for the recovery benefits of HGH with the endurance increase of EQ without the excess water-weight and sides that would inhibit the massive amount of calisthenics and aerobic exercise I do.
Thanks for your critique.
| Week | EQ | HGH | hCG | Sust250 | Aromasin | Nolvadex |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 2 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 3 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 4 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 5 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 6 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 7 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 8 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 9 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 10 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 11 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 12 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 13 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 14 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 15 | 200-300mg | 2iu's 5/2 | 250iu's E.3.D's | 125mg | 12.5 mg ED | |
| 16-18 | Cycle | Is | Now | Fully | Completed | (TIME OFF) |
| 19 | 40 ED | |||||
| 20 | 20 ED | |||||
| 21 | 20 ED | |||||
| 22 | 20 ED |
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NEW CYCLE FOR YOUR VIEWING AND CRITIQUE.
So lets start from scratch. What are you training for? Cycle history? Diet? Give me a rundown of your daily training and activities. I want to give you some basic info and see what you can come up with for a new cycle plan. But first lay out the above info for me.
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There was nothin wrong with that post you could've kept it. Just include a link next time.
My training goals:
Increase distance and performance in a wide range of high intensity aerobic and aerobic exercises.
Think Crossfit with Marathon running. I run with a club team that participates in event's like Spartan Races and Tough Mudders etc.
My initial idea was to take a common cycle that I've talked to endurance athletes about, I.E. the one posted.
Previous Cycle History: I did a short 5 week pro-hormone of Epistane a year or so back. Was meh. I worked out like a machine but it impacted my running/swimming/cycling performance. I had a proper PCT off of that.
My training routine is upwards of 4-5 hours a day. With swimming/running/weights everyday except Saturday and Sunday. It's my job to stay in shape right now before our next event.
As such, my caloric intake is HIGH. Also, my metabolism is like a jack-rabbit. I'm not saying I scrounge on garbage food all day, every day, but I certainly don't eat "clean" in the urban dictionary way. I get my fruits and veggies and nutrients.
The "idea" was to increase my RBC count quickly and lean muscle slowly. I.E. the EQ. This in turn would increase the amount of oxygen and nutrient transportation required for endurance work, WHILE slowly increaseing lean gains that my body would be able to adjust to as I increase my distance.
HGH was to induce good recovery due to the stress and stain I place on my body at a weekly level.
hCG was to ensure proper recovery on/off before the PCT begins.
The AI was to control estrogen.
The test was mentioned in the beginning, and then added.
The ideas you came up with are totally valid. Now knowing exactly what you're training for I think eq might not be such a bad idea after all. However the doses are still not adequate to be at an efficacious level for your goals.
I'd rather see you pair up test e with eq, vs sustanon. Unless you plan to pin sus eod to take advantage of the short ester test in the sus. Hcg is perfect good on ya for that. A.I. is great but the suggested dose was far too much. Pct also needs rebuilding, its not sufficient for a healthy reboot.
I'm always a less is more kind of guy when it comes to gear but this setup is too little.
Something like this will get you where you want to be.
Test e 500mg/wk
Eq 400mg/wk
Hgh 4iu/ed
Aromasin 6.25ed to start
Pct
I want you to rebuild that with some research. Make us proud. Lol.
I read the excerpt you pasted. When dosing steroids there's several things you have to take into account. When you inject 100mg of test, you don't actually get 100mg of test. The ester weight takes about 35mg away. Then some of it will aromatize to estro. Then some of it will become dht. Leaving you with something like 30mg of actual test remaining. And that's not even taking into account the fact that you're probably not getting pharma and ugl's seldom have correctly dosed gear. That's why the doses need raising. Add to this the fact that you train 4-5 hours daily, and you MUST have higher doses than what is suggested there to achieve the desired effect. The water retention thing is also 100% controllable to the point of elimination. A lot of us here such as myself are bodybuilders, and as such we know how to cut the water out with or without hindering performance, in your case we'll do it without hindering performance of course. You don't even need extra drugs to do it.
1. Drink tons of water. The more you take in the less you hold.
2. Vitamin c. 2-4 thousand mg daily in split doses.
3. Fish oil, upwards of 10g daily.
4. Your A.I. will dictate a lot of water weight with estrogen control.
Also the person mentions that the drugs themselves make you hold water. This is not true. Especially not true of tren. Its the attached ester that makes you hold water. And like I said its easily controlled. But the positive nitrogen retention is also good for you. It makes you stronger, faster, lubes your joints, and makes you more Anabolic leading to less muscle wasting and enhanced recovery. So it has its place ESPECIALLY in sports like yours.
I like the plan except I would cut that test dose in half. He doenst wanna add any muscle, and test at that dose will put size on anyone. I read medical studies where they had 3 test groups, 1 on no drugs, 1 on 500mgs a week without working out and the last was on 500mgs and did workout. The group on 500mgs who did not lift still gained 7lbs of muscle. So this dudes gonna be doing some lifting and the test will add size to him which he doesn't want. The eq in that dose will be great for his goals and won't add alot of bulk to him which is what he wants. So the test is just in there to keep him feeling good and functiing like a male. I would say 250mgs test with 400-500mgs eq. But thats just me.
He said he wants to see some slow lean gains. His training and diet will dictate his size gain and with how hard and how long he's training he won't have to worry much in the way of size gains. Doing tough mudders and spartans the way he does, if he were to put on 5-7lbs of pure muscle that would be of great benefit to him.
Would this set-up run for a shorter or longer time then what I have posted? Or is the time negligible ?
Thanks for your help, the amount of info I've read is staggering.
You're welcome. I'd do no less than 20 weeks with this cycle to fully make use of the eq.
Great, I'll start a new cycle thread and open it up for critique.
Excellent, also look into injectable winstrol. That is another extremely good option for you and I'd almost prefer it to eq for you. But I'll let you research and put it in your hands for what you want to try. There's always next cycle.
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Here is an article that compares injecting Winstrol to taking it in pill form. It's a nice read. The bottom line is that the muscle tissue building properties of the drug are best served by IM administration although oral administration will free up SHBG (sex hormone-binding globulin) bound testosterone in the blood stream making more free test available for anabolic activity but with the adverse consequence that oral Winstrol is very toxic to the liver. Enjoy the read.
(https://thinksteroids.com/articles/winstrol-oral-vs-injectable/)
Perfect. OP speaking of unbinding SHBG, I forgot to mention Proviron. IMO no cycle is complete without it. Factor that into your new cycle log bro.
Your pct is lacking. You're shutting yourself down for 18 weeks bro you think just nolva is gonna be enough, hell no. You need a solid pct of clomid and nolva, and maybe even aromasin. Idk if you have done a long cycle before but the longer your shutdown the harder it is to recover. And 18 weeks is a very long time to be shutdown. And imo you're gonna completely tank your estrogen with 12.5mgs of aromasin a day while on only 125mgs of test per week. And the eq aromatizes at a much much lower rate then test does. I was on 750mgs of test and 6.25ed had be barely out of normal range. I think I was about 50 and the highest in the normal reference range is 42. So your gonnna be using 625mgs less test then me and double the Ai. I know where all different, I don't think theres many people out there who would need even close to that amount on 125mgs ew. Hell 6.25 might even be to much for you. I don't wanna make assumptions but its probably not even necessary to use one, i mean your dose is even lower then an average trt dose and alot of people don't require an AI while on trt. Obvously some do cause were all react different but i doubt its necessary on 125mgs ew.
Anonthats just retarded dude do your homework what a waste
Honestly, if it were me, I would scrap all the AAS and raise GH to 4 IUs, possibly even 6 IUs - but GH is a long term proposition. I realize this sounds radical, just my humble opinion. GH will give you the recovery you are seeking as well as improve cardiovascular endurance.
UPDATED with Sust250 at 125mg and additional PCT time from the EQ.
You wrote "individual is considering running the following".
Is this cycle not for you?
"it's not for me" *stomp stomp *
The "It's for a friend" thing doesn't really fly around here. This cycle sucks anyway. When planning a cycle you have to weigh out risk vs reward. And you have all the risks with almost no reward here. The only thing worth a shit in this cycle is the GH. Everything else is just a waste of good gear and good health. Scrap it and go back to the drawing board. Anything worth doing is worth doing right. And this is doing it wrong. The fact that you have aromasin at 12.5 ed with a less than trt dose of test shows me that you don't exaclty know what you're doing. You'd more than likely feel like dog shit with those doses.
Yeah when they do the a friend thing its extremely annoying and you just know they are too young for ANS and too immature for it. We know its you fucktards and who cares we dont know you its the internet. Lmao
Lol, yeah that's usually the case. Sometimes its genuine. But in the case that it is genuinely for someone else, we want THEM to join and post their questions.
This thing here is akin to what cyclists on something like the the Tour de France would want. I'm surprised he doesn't have EPO (erythropoietin) in here with the gear. Test is frequently used in these endurance protocols, but I have to admit, this is way beyond my area of expertise, but like you say, the GH in and of itself will accomplish a lot of the OPs goals. I think the concept of the EQ in this application is its effect on RBC instead of straight out EPO but I just don't know if it will yield that side on such a low dose.
EPO was my first thought. EQ would be a bad pick because of the pumps associated with EQ. At a worthy dose of EQ he'll be getting very uncomfortable pumps that will most certainly hinder his performance.
I'm kinda limited. I only use all this shit to build tissue. Period. So, if someone wants to build tissue, I am just a wonderful resource. These endurance guys use all manner of stimulants, narcotic analgesics, real blood doping (transfusions), EPO - I know what it is - stinking poison - u start injecting EPO and your (you guessed it) kidneys stop making it. And, once the kidneys stop making it it stays stopped. So now u are on an EPO "TRT" - EPORT? Sounds funny, doesn't it. Fucking nightmare is what that is.
Yeah that sounds like no fun at all. If anything I'd pick test gh and winny depot for this cycle.
Winny depot? Do you think he's ready for the winny depot experience? No guts no glory? I wish I could be in earshot for a few days with that one. Winny depot - the reference standard. Nothing can compare. Nothing.
It's brutal no doubt, but when it comes to winning I know you and I are the type to deal with whatever pain it takes to get what we want. Winny itself is mild enough, especially injectable. It's just the brutal pip like you say, that makes it a monster. Maybe if OP could find a nice oil based winny that would be great for him.