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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

I am 52 years old and 191 pounds with 11% bodyfat, possibly more.. With this cycle I would like to add about 20 pounds and ultimately keep my bodyfat at 11%. My biggest concern is my age and hormonal functions. My body doesn't produce gh at a level that is consistant with growth. I may add something like anadrol for a kick start to the cycle. I would appeciate any constructive input the community has to offer especailly the more advanced and older members who have delt with simular issues. I have done 6 cycles mostly a variation of Test and Deca with d-bol kicker and a var finisher, typical test dose is 750mg/wk and deca at 500mg/week and cycles are usually 10-12 weeks long. my last cycle was with mast-e and provoron to keep estro in check which worked nicely I did 1 tren-a cycle and wasn't too impressed but did manage some gains.

WeekTest-eDecaMasteronHCGHGHProvironNolvadexClomid
1750mg/wk500mg/wk200mg/wk4ui ed25mg ed
2750mg/wk500mg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
3750mg/wk500mg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
4750mg/wk500mg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
5750mg/wk500mg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
6750mg/wk500mg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
7750mg/wk500mg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
8750mg/wk500mg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
9750mg/wk5oomg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
10750mg/wk500mg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
11750mg/wk500mg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
12750mg/wk500mg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
13750mg/wk500mg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
14750mg/wk500mg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
15750mg/wk200mg/wk500ui/wk4ui ed25mg ed
16500ui/wk4ui ed
17500ui/wk4ui ed
184uied40mg/d100mg/d
194ui ed40mg/d100mg/d
204ui ed20mg/d50mg/d
214ui ed20mg/d50mg/d
PRE CYCLE PIC: 
Dickkhead's picture

I think that irongame427 below has got you covered, but looking at your pics, I couldn't help but notice the thinning hair. If that runs in your family using Mast for estrogen control is not so important a thing to do that I would risk shedding hair over it. Drostanolone propionate (brand Masteron) is a pure DHT androgen that attacks the hair follicle in those susceptible to it. Mesterolone (brand Proviron) is another DHT compound with some really nice features like the ability to free up testosterone for protein synthesis that is otherwise bound to SHBG (sex hormone-binding globulin) as well as provide some estrogen control. But, it too has the potential to accelerate hair loss. Again, 25 mg is a nice place to start with Proviron for those reasons, but for estrogen control I would recommend an aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin at 12.5 mg ed. If possibly (you may be OK or not) exacerbating your hair loss is not a concern, then disregard this entire comment.

mk50's picture

I'm 52 what little hair I have left won't be there long anyway, but thanks for info, any day I learn something is a good one.

irongame427's picture

Ok first and foremost, your bf is not 11% if thats you in the picture. I would put you more like 13-15%. Second what is your cycle history? Drugs used and dose and duration. But overall this is not a good setup. Get back to me with that info and we can work on fixing it.

mk50's picture

Sorry I use a cheap pair of calipars I'm sure their not accurate I updated my cycle history up above, Thanks for checking things out.

irongame427's picture

Alright well the eq at that dose isn't gonna do a thing. Its just more oil you need to inject, more scar tissue build up, and more money wasted so i would drop that. Im guessing your using the mast/provi for estro? If so I think you should probably up the provi to 50mgs ed. Im not totally sure about the mast dose for estro control, 200mg might or might not be sufficient. Someone else will have to chime in. Now you're not running the deca long enough, the deconate ester is very long and won't even reach peak plasma levels until roughly week 6 maybe even 7, so week 9 things have just gotten into full swing. I would suggest 14weeks of test e with 12 weeks of deca. Some might even argue that 12 weeks of deca isn't enough and 14 would be better. And the last problem is see is your hcg protocol. That 500iu a week only works if you start it in the beginning of the cycle, not if you start it mid cycle. It would take alot more to get your boys back up and going if you don't use if from the start. I would start it at week 2 and use 250-500iu twice a week. Its important when using 19-nors and i believe it make recover easier. It keeps your lydeg cells and testes kinda awake so to speak. Run it right up until 4 days before you start pct. If you do what you have listed you would probably need to blast 750-1000iu eod for a few days before backing down to 250-500iu twice a week. Ive done it 3 ways in the past, and one of those was exactly like you have it set up and it took a significant amount to get them plumped back up and hanging low again. Ive used it from the start, ive started it mid cycle, and I've waited until the end and did the 10 day blast 1000iu eod stopping 4 days before pct. I would definitely advise you to start it on week 2, its really important imo when using compounds that have very negative effects on the hpta.

mk50's picture

ok how does this look to you? can I ask why not any EQ i thought it would help with my diet as well as delivering nutriants to the muscles more effeciently. Would you recommend anadrol to kick start the cycle? By the way thanks for your help with the set up this is a bit longer than my usual cycle I am looking forward to seeing how it turns out.

irongame427's picture

Well this is highly individualized, some people can run test at 750 and deca at 500 and not have problems, and some people need atleast a 2:1 ratio to avoid the problems associated with deca, and then you have people like myself who can run them very close to the same dose and not have any ed problems. So i cant tell you if that ratio is gonna work, but if you do have problems i would not up your test, i would lower your deca to get closer to a 2:1 ratio. And Whers your dopamine agnoist? Need to ateast have one on hand incase problems arise. And the reason for no eq is two reasons, first and foremost you don't need 2gs of gear a week to make gains! its unnecessary for someone who's 190lbs, or honestly most people who are just gym rats. And second your dose was way to low, and ran for to short of time. EQ has an extremely long ester and needs to be run for 16-20 weeks minimum. You had it in there for what 9 weeks? it will have just started kicking in at that point.

Personally I don't even like to give out advice and help with guys designing cycles with this many drugs. I think its dangerous and unnecessary for a guy like you or myself who just wanna look good and grow.. People like to think they need more drugs to grow but its bullshit, you need a solid diet. I would personally drop everything but the proviron and the test and add an oral kicker. If you cant grow from that we have other problems. But since you have alot of experience with test and deca ill help you out. Everything looks good except I personally don't have experience with using mast as estrogen control. But i believe your combination of provi and mast will be a good start. But getting blood work around week 6-8 is crucial so you can see where your levels of prolactin are, and your e2 levels. In my experience as long as you control your E2 your levels of prolactin will stay close to in range. But that doenst mean you should not have a dopamine agonist on hand at all times. After you get those bloods you can see where everything stands and if you need to make adjustments. And it will also show you how your blood looks and if you need to donate to keep your rbc hemo and that shit down, as well as everything else lipids, liver kidneys thyroid etc. 19-nors have tendency to suppress TSH. It doenst happen to everyone but its pretty common and it does happen to me.

All in all tho, im not a fan of long cycles, in my experience the body adapts after 8-10 weeks and levels of myostatin raise and counter the anabolism thats occurring. So I'm more of a fan of short esters and getting the full benefit of the hormones. Its happened to me twice in the past, around 8 week gains bascaily come to a screeching halt, and i up my calories and up them again and fight for a few extra pounds of fat. So I'm extremely interested in how this cycle goes and the gains you make past week 10. So keep us updated. Im not sure if i forgot anything so feel free to ask if you have anymore questions.

Oh and i personally would drop the deca 1 week earlier so you have two weeks on just test and then 2.5 weeks injecting nothing. The deconate ester is one of the longest and will take some time to clear. In my experience and my observations of others starting pct two weeks after your last shot of test e is slighty to soon. I would wait about 18 days.

mk50's picture

Thanks for all your help I do appreciate your advice. I do keep caber and anastrozol on hand just in case, not that I have ever needed it the crack of dawn isn't safe around me when on cycle.
Peace mk