That is definitely the conventional wisdom for Clen; I like it with just the one week off.

Great and reasonable response, thanks. Man, maths do not lie.... drop 12 lbs fat = 198... subtracted from 220 = 22 lbs. I get about five of those pounds right from the rip as the muscle tissue sucks up the water, but add a nice drying out finish to the cycle... well, that was sort of 'phantom' weight.

If I could hold at 210 with a 9% body fat, I would be pretty damned happy. Give me another ten pounds of muscle over the year and that would be great. Goal: Maintain Body Mass while losing 6% body fat.

Clen/T3: Addressed below, so I would mostly respect your statement and stand beside it for most persons, however; this is indeed the cycle I will do. I have done it before and it works with proper diet and exercise... this is a 12-week cycle and the 12-pounds of fat will go away.

Downright awesome responses on this forum, I greatly appreciate the time people put into it. Thank you.

Thanks for the input, I have come back to senses and adjusted to a pretty basic test/tren at 250mg test and 750mg tren weekly (trenbolone ramped up from 250mg to 750mg) tapered down the last two weeks of the cycle. I believe 250mg tren will hit me sweetly for the amount of time I have had off and I will let the body dictate when/if I increase. My experience with tren tells me I will be at 750mg by the end of the cycle unless I find some really clean meds.

You are right, the 5:1 ratio of tren makes high test idiotic. Hahaha, I wondered just 'why' I was actually putting this in public forum.... HOMEWORK, that's why. Get some opinions before we go killing ourselves.

The Masterone is only in there as a prophylactic medicine rather than using any oral AI. At 250mg weekly of test, sides are really non-sensible to me, but I do have to face the inevitable conversions in my body and I use the Masterone simply to act as a very mild AI for the added estrogen conversion. It also helps me if I feel sides from the nor-19 to identify it as progesterone sides and not estro. Now, those last four weeks I will run the Mast ed, M-F and I will use this for a bit of drying out and for vascularity. I could just as easily use Winstrol, but with Mast, I get just as good, I avoid one oral or water based injection and I personally feel it is a bit easier on the liver.

Ancilliaries: I keep caber and aromisin on hand with a slightly outdated letro. I have ancient Nolva from an old PCT kit, but as I am TRT (naturally) I don't PCT. My history is enough that I know I won't be using any of these, but they are on hand, just in case.

History: I am actually not much of a heavy AAS hitter. I ended up on nor-19's and test by medical need, and it just happened to help. Weight lifting wise, I have a solid 28-years for health and only during a good ten year run did I ever get 'big' hitting a body mass 100kg with minimal body fat, somewhere in or near single digits. I looked great, but the shoulder gave out and I ended up on Nandrolone for that joint. Testing bloods before taking Nandrolone, it was noted that my test levels were low, so there I was on test/Nandralone Decanoate by age 40. By that time, I was pretty wasted away and scared to death of heavy weights, but the shoulder held out like no one's business and my lifting results went through the sky. Where my shoulder used to fail me, I was able to cross the threshold and not by a few measly pounds, we are talking 30-lbs above my old maximum lifting within six-months, for repetitions. I started low and pretty soon was cycling pretty high (for me). It did not take long for me to want that Nandralone power, but also cut up and tren was pretty much the mirror image of deca as for risk/sides and I just switched one day.

So basically, I have used all the usual suspects in the AAS lineup, but my preference is Test/Tren. When the shoulder acts up, I tend to drop the tren and run NPP/Deca in its place and just tone up later.

Goal: So, we'll get real about things and adjust this goal to rip up the body to that single digit BF and hopefully not lose body mass. The last time I made anything like single digit body fat, I dropped to 205 pounds and while people comment on my size, I feel small. In the end, I do this for me and whether people think I am big, shredded, or even small, that does not matter nearly as much as how "I" feel. I love lifting and sculpting and had I not had an order against me for massive child support, I would have been on cycle the last four years, but it is difficult to spend several hundred for a cycle when one owes for their kid. Well, it's paid now and I plan to return to fitness with a bit of selfishness.

Clen/T3: I don't push this program on anyone or even advocate it really. I have done this cycle before and it gave me the results I was after in 12-weeks, which was almost twice the fat loss I am after this time. This is strictly 'for me' as I want to get the shape back this cycle. I don't recommend the high doses for anyone, but the nature of Clen demands it really. The body adapts to it so quickly. T3.... well, again, this is just personal. There are certainly two groups out there, minimum, ones that believe it will ruin my thyroid system, ones that don't. I do monitor BP and HR regularly and daily on high doses.

In summary, I plan to start the Clen at 40mcg and T3 at 25mcg (I always use 25mcg t3 when running tren) daily. Due to the body's adaptability to Clen, I plan to increase dose by 40mcg each week until I have either (a) hit the maximum safe limit; or (b) hit the ideal body fat. I find that I am 'never' shredded enough, so it just happens that after about eight weeks of Clen/T3, I have hit the highest dose my body can tolerate.... usually a BP of 161/100 which is where I pull the plug on the program. As such, the length of the cycle is 8-10 weeks with a ramp down. I don't just jump off the meds.

Diet (2): Now, one thing I take religiously when putting my body through something like this is absolute unforgiving diet. No candy, no fatty foods and even my cheat nights are limited to a fatty ribeye with potatos a bowl of cashews. I am a believer that diet controls the program and I take it as religion.