3rd Cycle, Time to put on some size.
Stats are in my profile. Due to some funds issues i was not able to purchase my original cut/summer cycle. i'm really not pleased with my mass anyways. so i think i would've wasted my money cutting down. time to clean up the diet, and put some serious size on. i have test e, deca, anadrol, aromasin, cabaser, HCG, and nolva and clomid. this will be a 14 week cycle, so 14 of test, with 12 weeks on deca, first four 50mg adrol pre workout. my main concern is the HCG. i've heard soooo many conflicting stories, including dave palumbo telling me not to use HCG during cycle because you're shutting down anyways no matter what, why waste it. so do you guys think 250iu twice a week while on? when to start it and for how long? or do i wait till pct and use it then tapering down. and the cabaser i have is just in case of prolactin gyno arises. i'm not sensitive to gyno with test or dbol so hopefully not at all. ANY suggestions with that stuff thanks!!! stats are in profile but i'm 5'8 225, pretty lean visible abs and vascularity in chest/arms/quads. i'd guess 10 percent. using mountain dog training by john meadows right now, and boy do i need the added recovery of gear. and i know the cabaser is .5mg every 3rd or 4th day if the need arises. i also have some adex laying around just in case.
| Week | Test E | Deca | Anadrol | Aromasin | Caber | Nolvadex | Clomid | HCG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 750mg | 500mg | 50mg | 12.5mg | .5mg? | |||
| 2 | 750mg | 500mg | 50mg | 12.5mg | ||||
| 3 | 750mg | 500mg | 50mg | 12.5mg | ||||
| 4 | 750mg | 500mg | 50mg | 12.5mg | ||||
| 5 | 750mg | 500mg | 12.5mg | |||||
| 6 | 750mg | 500mg | 12.5mg | |||||
| 7 | 750mg | 500mg | 12.5mg | |||||
| 8 | 750mg | 500mg | 12.5mg | |||||
| 9 | 750mg | 500mg | 12.5mg | |||||
| 10 | 750mg | 500mg | 12.5mg | |||||
| 11 | 750mg | 500mg | 12.5mg | |||||
| 12 | 750mg | 500mg | 12.5mg | |||||
| 13 | 750mg | 12.5mg | ||||||
| 14 | 750mg | 12.5mg | ||||||
| 15 | 12.5mg | |||||||
| 16 | 12.5mg | |||||||
| 17 | 40mg | 100mg | 4,500iu | |||||
| 18 | 40mg | 100mg | 3,000iu | |||||
| 19 | 20mg | 50mg | 1,500iu | |||||
| 20 | 20mg | 50mg |
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hunteron20sI will be running a similar cycle but im gonna run sus rather then test e .sus last really close to deca on ester life ..I will use a bombs too ..I recommend strongly to get bloods before you start at anything to have a base level to work with .then get them again 4 th week on ,to see if your levels are where they need to be with ls and fs for the ballz .and estro levels .you can adjust accordingly for how your body reacts ..play smart and get huge and knowledge as you go on ..
Bro aren't you still on cycle right now? You have a week 2 update of a cycle back on the 19th of May. So you're either still on or literally just came off which means you have atleast 12 weeks to wait before you start another one assuming your last was only 8 weeks but doesn't even make sense cause your week 2 update was like 4-5 weeks ago. So I'm confused now. What's the deal are you on gear now? Remember time on+pct=time off
That was last year. I haven't been on since sept 2013
Oh alright, I think I already asked you that anyway my bad. I do this a lot man so I it's easy for me to mix up who told me what. And what gear head was getting at was 600mg test and 300 deca would be a good first run eitj deca. Deca is very anabolic so you don't end to run that much of it to get good results and by running twice the amount of test as deca you should avoid a lot of the sides it can cause. Diet will dictate your results not the amonnt of drugs. And make sure to run the test two weeks longer then the deca.
No worries man. I'm not just a noob who doesn't do research. I've been training and eating hard for over 12 years. And didnt do my first cycle till 26. I read a lot about gear and that's why I figured i could handle the deca and drol. I've done pretty good amounts already in those cycles. And I spent a lot extra to get the right ancillaries to cover the 19 nors and a good pct protocol. I know u have to run the test longer obviously. I just figured if i see sides i can back it down to 300 deca or drop the drol since drol clears quickly .
So, what about my suggestion below?
5-8, 225 at 10%. Pic?
Good man for putting that up, you've hit a good shape, well done. Your BF is higher than 10% though.
Concur with the guys here, Itin and Fearhead will steer you right.
Welcome to eroids btw.
dude i thought i was being conservative. guys i know at the gym, training partners, coaches i talk to, everyone takes WAAAAAY more than what i'm taking. multiple people i know started with tren and gh and a gram at least of test. i'm talking in the 3-4 range. slin, thousands of dollars in gear. i thought i was the smart one doing my research, lol
Bro, my trainer is a super heavy pro. We were just talking today about the benefits of being a minimalist when it comes to steroids especially in the off-season. I have nothing against GH. Ain't gonna hurt nothing. All good, very little bad. The problem word in what you just wrote is they started with a gram of Test. Fucking ridiculous train wreck bull shit. I think you need a reality break here. Take a look at the real life pictures of these IFBB Pros. If you listen to us, you'll still be going strong in 10 years, your training partners, guys at the gym, coaches, anyone who abuses anabolics will long have gotten sick and retired from the gym. Take a look at Flex Wheeler and Paul Dillet here:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/too-much-oral-...
so what changes would you make with the drugs i have at the moment.
How does 600 Test 300 Deca Grab you. Like I said, mjh36 (Height: 5'6," Weight: 230, BF: 7.7%) is growing like a weed on that.
It sounds nice. Would that be better than what I was gonna do and just back off if sides are too much? Thanks for ur help by the way
I think you will do very well on that and avoid conditioning your body to higher and higher levels of gear when you are just getting started with AAS. Let's start with making those changes in the log. The aro looks fine. Caber I would start out at 0.25 mg twice a week. If you keep your E2 down, it's difficult to get into trouble with prolactin. I would recommend a mid-cycle blood test.
theres also another reason for this cycle. to get strong as fuck. i need to really start overloading my muscle and not just chasing the pump, which is where i feel my plateau has come from recently. I've gotten pretty strong in this layoff from gear. but lately i have plateu'd big time and i feel like I'm just not overloading the muscle. i'm getting great pumps. but the weights/reps won't go up.
Well you need to lift heavy ass weight if you want to get bigger bro. U want legs - you are still doing warmup sets at 495 squat as you continue to add weight, blah blah, etc. etc. 585 - yeah baby . . .
The nice thing about wet drugs is that the water that gets pulled into your muscle will increase your strength dramatically enabling you to lift much heavier and make the muscle grow. The downside (there is always a downside, isn't there?) - you risk injury cause your tendons and even ligaments don't keep pace with the strength increase. Beside the fact that Deca Joint Joy will even mask some pain that you should feel.
You will get nice pumps from repping very heavy weight. But, I think we need to lower the grams of gear per week bro.
Well you have Defintely done a good amount of reaearch, and like gear head said if you decide to run this cycle it's gonna be a wet ride. I think he's gonna cover you on the aromasin and all so I'll just tell you about the hcg. You Defintely need to use hcg when running a 19-nor. 250-500iu twice a week starting the second week. Start with 250iu and if you sense atrophy up it to 500iu twice a week. Run it right up until 4 days before your pct. if your nuts still shrink you might have to blast with 1000iu eod for a few days right before you start pct, but like I said stop 4 days before. And you also need to run your test 2 weeks longer then the deca. The the deconate ester is much longer then test e so of you were to stop them at the same time the deca would take almost 2 weeks longer then the test to clear your system and drop to levels low enogh to start pct.
yeah thats what i have seen. but a lot of the veteran guys i talk to and even chatting with "pros" still seem to hate the HCG on cycle. they think "ur intentionally shutting yourself down why try to go the opposite way" they seem to think its better in PCT to get urself going again. i don't know i'm just confused on the HCG
Ya there's both guys on each side of the fence, I personally use it every cycle. For the shorter ones I just do a 10 day blast before pct and for the longer ones or those that include 19-nors I'll use it the entire cycle. Longer cycles and 19-nor cycles are slot harder to recover from so in m opinion it's better to prevent atrophy then reverse. And by using hcg it kinda keeps our balls "awake" so to speak. But that's just my opinion.
well, aromasin should cover the water from the e2. and if i have progesterone problems i have caber. aromasin should hold water down to a minimum. and i would think 250mg more of test than deca should be enough to cover. it won't be a nasty bulk with clean calories in check.
If you've never run deca before, no, 250 is not enough. My concern with the E2 is your ability to get it actually tested on cycle. And, u r right, if this is your first time running nandrolone (19-nortestosterone), I don't know how you will react.
really? thats totally different than everywhere else i've read or heard. including professionals or "experts". most just say as long as test is higher than that 2/1 ratio is bullshit. i figured 750mg of test would be ok with 500mg deca
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Professionals and experts - well, dang bro, I've been doing this for 16 years - lost count of the number of cycles - I may have picked up at least a small amount of knowledge in that time even if it's not what u want to hear.
Not on your first run it's not OK. The purpose of the 2:1 ratio is to keep the 19-nor sides under control. You may find on subsequent runs you can tweak it, but we don't start out making assumptions. This guy competes and we went with lower doses and he is doing very well on the cycle btw. His first run also.
http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/dirty-bulker-looking-to-gain-at-least-2....
I also have an issue with the idea of running 1,250 mg of gear / wk. on a 3rd cycle. I'm sure you can see my point. What will cycle 4 be - 1,750 mg / wk?
I have the little subscription to Meadows' website and I like Palumbo as well - always liked his keto diet. He does nice consulting work IMHO. Do you really want to do a big wet super nasty ass bulk? I read irongame's comment and he has a valid point of view. I just want to establish in my mind that you understand that even with a perfect diet - Test / Deca / Anadrol is gonna pull in some significant water and require really tight E2 control so if you tell me getting blood work done is gonna be a problem, then I have some reservations. And, the more obvious issue that never having run deca before, do you really have enough Test to cover the deca, etc. Before getting into that, I just really want to understand your goal here.
If you decide to answer me pls use the reply button.
i mostly just wanted input on the HCG protocols but thanks for your input and i really appreciate it and taking it into consideration.
im 30 now, and i don't plan on doing gear forever, so i want to maximize my cycles now while i'm young.
You don't maximize your cycles by using multiple compounds or high dosing. You maximize your cycles through DIET and INTENSITY.
And what you said below about deca sides and liver toxicity issues is the dumbest thing ive ever heard. At the end of the day its your body and if you want to fuck it up, by all means go ahead. But AAS should not be taken lightly.
Hey bro, I knkw me and you have the same views regarding using diet for results, but this dudes way bigger then us lol. At 5'8 225 lean he's either a genetic freak, or he's got his diet on point, I'm gonna assume the latter. Your post is totally valid when someone comes in at 6ft 170-180 I think you gotta look at the stats and make some assumptions based off that if he's got his diet and training down. I'm not hatin at all bro , me and you both believe in diet being key and using minimum amount of drugs. I just don't like to see people jump down other peoples throats when it's clear they know know what there doing regarding diet and training.
I guess I did come across like I was jumping down his throat. Not my intention at all. And I did check out his stats before I wrote that comment. Yes, your right he is a lot bigger than us lol All I was trying to say his, the attitude or mindset of doing a bunch of compounds at high doses to "maximize" a cycle is just wrong thinking. And its personally not the attitude I take when it comes to AAS.
I still hold my feet to the ground over when he said deca sides are embellished and so is liver toxicity issues.... NOT TRUE AT ALL... just be careful is all