2nd test e cycle
Went from 175-200 on last 12 week test e cycle. I stay between 190-195 weekly . It's been 2 months since pct and I've started making strength gains just not any size because staying at calorie maint.
Week 1-4 d bol 20mg ed
Week 1-14 test e 750mg per week- 375 tues and Friday
Will take hcg week 1-15
Proviron 50mg ed week 1-15
Pct will be nova 40 40 20 20 10
Clomid 100 100 50 50
Will keep letro on hand for emergencies
Goal to maintain 210lbs after pct and train natural until 2015 while increasing strength but just maintaining weight .
Stats 6ft 195lbs 9%bf
Lifting 4-5 years with breaks
Currently 11 months no break
Diet is 3200-3500 calories a day 500 which is liquid . Protein is 200+
I work a lot but plan to find a schedule to prepare meals . Goal is 4000 calorie all food and 250/300 grams protein on cycle
Will start cycle in 6 more weeks which would be 3 1/2 months since pct
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Burren247Get off the gear and work on your diet. If you can't find passion in the gym without gear then maybe the gym isn't your passion. Here's something that should help you gain without gear thanks to Viking.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/for-guys-that-seriously...
I just got one itsy bitsy little question for ya bro. U r 195 now, 2 months after PCT and you want to run another 12 week cycle with all this juice - 750 Test and such to gain 5 pounds? What are you planning on eating on Test 750? Celery sticks?
Just seems like you need to completely reassess where you are going with these roids, bro. You don't need one drop or tablet of anything to be 6 foot 200 lbs. from where u r right now. Nothing. No drugs. Nada. Dang, reading stuff like this just is so upsetting.
My only reason for takin drugs is that my obsession of going to the gym everyday for 2 hours can not be satisfied with out them. I'm at the gym an hour off drugs and there's so much more I want to do but knowing the reality that overtraining and more isn't better for gains is a disappointment . To know that I want to work harder than everybody but the results will only represent the science of a naturally body and not present the obsession and training until failure every single day . My true goals are much greater than 200 lbs but I'd rather not set numbers because bloating just to set a new scale record would be pointless
Bro, whether you realize it or not, you are describing a psychological addiction to performance enhancing drugs. It's encapsulated in the sentiment "I don't like to train without them" or "I can't train without them."
This is a serious issue you should not just laugh off. Because, the very next step is "I want to blast and cruise and my health and reproductive capabilities be dammed."
I think you need some time off bro, but seriously and learn to rekindle a passion for the gym in the absence of anabolics.
Good point. Expectations should be much much higher when using gear.
This is a total mess and I agree with u 100 hundred present plus one. Try to figure out some of this is baffling then u try and help and all they do is get mad. Keep up the good fight I'm tired of posting only to have people like this. Good luck bro your needed
less is more man no need to continue to jump up doses and add compounds every cycle. one compound at a time knowing how to control your estro, learning how to read blood work etc etc, you made 25 pound gains that's awesome bro more then most. btw you don't go by how your estro feels dude , real letro can crash you in days so guessing your estro is not the thing to do . blood work before, blood work during , blood work after pct to make sure you've recovered. no worries , no guessing. theres just too much going on here my friend , dbol upping it from 20 to 50, going from 500 your last cycle to 750 this time, proviron, then the hcg. why not just another basic test cycle maybe upping it a little or better yet the same thing just push the diet more and push harder with training???? I mean whats next man , a gram after this, cmon your making us younger guys look like fools. its a marathon not a sprint , gains over time not over night..
Cmon man I literally laid this out for you and this is what you come up with? You can't say you didn't react well to 500mgs when you gained 25lbs! What were you expecting to turn into ronnie coleman? Those are huge gains a lot of people don't gain that much on a first cycle. Why would your body react diffently to test/dbol vs dbol only? The reason we say only add one drug at a time is so the next time you add oje(like now) you know if it causes sides. You ran test, you knkw how you reacted to it so if you start getting sides that didn't happen on your first cycle them you knkw it's the dbol. And not to mention test e takes 4-5 weeks to fully kick in, so if your getting sides your first two weeks you know it's the dbol. And there's no reason to start at 20mgs and raise your dose to 50. Just run 30mgs the first 4 weeks. Start your test and dbol the same day or don't run the dbol if you don't wanna do it.
Next, why Clomid only 3 weeks? Run it 4 100/100/50/50. And if you wanna use an ai in pct it's gotta be aromasin. It the only one suitable for pct forget Adex or letro. Forget letro all together unless you start developing gyno on cycle which you should with the proviron. Run the hcg right up until 4-5 days before you start your pct. and let's make sure your diets on point. Can you lay it out for me? I wanna make sure you get the most out of this cycle an the diets gonna determine your success.
And last And most importantly, time on+pct=time off. So your last cycle was 12 weeks plus a 4 week pct that means you must take 4 monts off. So you have 2 more months to fine tune everything before you start this.
This is a total mess all the way thru. Why would u run dbol by itself without no test?Why run test at 750 mgs a week for a second cycle. Why would u run letro and not aro or arimidex. Why is your pct like that the standard dosing is a lot different have u got blood work since your last cycle. Seems like your jumping the gun and not giving your body the proper time off. Total mess answer some questions then we will help more
Plus post stats here it will help seen them in profile
I didn't react to 500 like I did to 750 had major strength increasing with the extra 250 mg. I'm running D bol only 2 weeks before I start test to make sure my body isn't allergic or tries to fight the chemical since Its my first time adding an extra drug. I don't want to throw 2 substances into my body at once and have issues nt knowing the cause. Plus the 2 weeks will help kick start the water retention so I will not gain much more once test is added. I changed letro to proviron 50mg ed
Ps I don't plan to start this for another 6 weeks just wanted some thoughts
This is only your second cycle of test how do u know how your body reacted to 500 ta 750. Maybe your test wasn't dosed right cause I can assure u would respond to 500 mgs a week.Your logic makes no sense u are goin to run dbol for two weeks before you add test so u can make sure your not allergic. Huh you start your test the same time u start your dbol your test won't be kicked in yet it's a long ester. U will have plenty of time to see how your body reacts to dbol. Then u say if u start your dbol first then u won't have anymore water retention from test wrong again. if u are having this much water retention on a simple test cycle this proves u have no idea what an ai is.u need aro or arimidex.This is so so wrong .u have absolutely nothing right here u need to research a lot more. Edit just seen u added provi instead of letro? What are u doin so u are goin to run provi with dbol? Bro u need to stop for awhile and research for the next few months
No offense but there isn't a written rule book on what works best for every person. And if there is please send me a copy to end this discussion . Try giving more advice rather than ripping on my current trial and error on how my body works. If I'm going to shut myself down why wouldn't I run 750. The increased effects are worth the minimally increased damage.. I didn't really consider the fact that's it has long life because I felt test e the first week on my last cycle .
the rule book goes by blood work, and the 100s to 1000s before you who did trial and error.. their is much more knowledge now no need to continue to guess or wonder because there are many of guys on here who have been there and done that. we're all just looking out for you man. feeling test e in the first week??? very unlikely , more likely the placebo effect , long ester compounds take weeks to build up in your blood , so I doubt it was the test, probably the fact you knew you were taking something that made you feel like "the man". just keep an open mind and take some advice on here. no ones out to get you or just st8 hate on your bro.
I'm not ripping on u bro. Everything u are doin is wrong but fine I'm out. Btw u didn't feel your test in the first week of test e impossible. So fuck yourself up bc u have no fucking idea what your doin
I'm new to this but I have to agree, generally it's recommended that time on+pct length should be how long you take off before the next cycle. It's your body tho and I'm a novice so maybe a Vet here will provide some better insight.
Letro is really strong stuff. I would go with some exemstane. Im not one to preach but time on equals time off. 2 months is not long enough. For learning purposes but like i said im a nut also, lol.