+ 1 2nd cycle advice
Hope this comes out readable here goes,
Stats are 24 years old 5"10 11-12% bf atm around 208lbs. Previous cycle was 12 weeks test E 500mg per week, with a 30 mg per day dbol kickstart that I cut short after 2 or so weeks. Pct was nolva 40/40/20/20 two weeks after last injection. .5mg adex every third day used for estrogen control. I have been training consistently for 6 years, experimenting with diet for 5 years which I fall off slightly ever so often but not like a lot of people and not for very long. I am planning my next cycle for sometime in September, last one was finished about two months ago. I want to continue to make lean gains throughout this next cycle with my end goal being 225lbs and around 10% bf or below. Which I understand will take much longer than just this one cycle.
2nd cycle
Week 1-14 500mg test e per week
Week 1-4 100mg eod
Week 8-14 proviron 25mg per day
Pct two weeks after last test e shot nolva 40/40/20/20 clomid 100/100/50/50
I will be giving aromasin a try on this cycle if it goes well will use in pct. If not adex as need throuout cycle.
I am wanting to know if hcg would be good to run for this cycle or not? I was thinking something like the last 6 weeks of cycle 300 iu's twice a week to prime for pct. I am unsure of when I would stop taking it, is it one week before pct? Any advice on the hcg or on the cycle is greatly appreciated.
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | testosterone prop | proviron | nolvadex | clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 100mg eod | |||
| 2 | 500mg | 100mg eod | |||
| 3 | 500mg | 100mg eod | |||
| 4 | 500mg | 100mg eod | |||
| 5 | 500mg | ||||
| 6 | 500mg | ||||
| 7 | 500mg | ||||
| 8 | 500mg | 25mg daily | |||
| 9 | 500mg | 25mg daily | |||
| 10 | 500mg | 25mg daily | |||
| 11 | 500mg | 25mg daily | |||
| 12 | 500mg | 25mg daily | |||
| 13 | 500mg | 25mg daily | |||
| 14 | 500mg | 25mg daily | |||
| 15 | |||||
| 16 | |||||
| 17 | 40mg daily | 100mg daily | |||
| 18 | 40mg daily | 100mg daily | |||
| 19 | 20 mg daily | 50mg daily | |||
| 20 | 20mg daily | 50mg daily |
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As far as your cycle goes i think i agree with catalyst on this you are eight at that age but i will say.....just use test e or c right now you can get so much from it with a good diet and routine... Not to mention it makes things more simple and is much healthier and easy on your body
Trust me on this i know what im talkin bout
Hit me up right quick
Sorry I didn't see this. Fr accepted.
Guys - he's about to turn 25. Look at his pics, some good genetics going on here. Sometimes you need to take a less black/white view, this is in a grey area. I know the "25 rule", but not many have the shape this guy has. In this case, it's a judgement call I'm comfortable making.
I haven't got a problem with this lad running the cycle detailed above. From some of the comments maybe it's been changed from something more advanced????? Regarding what's there right now, it's sensible, he's in good shape and is 25 very shortly. Go for it.
Thank you Catalyst, it was slightly more advanced before. But when you post and people don't give you the time of day its hard to see where you need to make changes. I mean that's what this is supposed to be about I thought.
It's a guideline the mods and more experienced guys use, rightly do, for safety. We get lots of youngsters (20, 21 etc) where no advice is the responsible thing to do. In this case, let's not get carried away about a couple of months lol!
2nd cycle, the above is a sensible run IMO. Watch your AI, with proviron running you may find your estro doesn't creep up quite as much so you'll have to feel your way through to see where you need to balance it out. You'll do fine on this run.
Drop me a pm if you need any help mate.
AWeek 1-14 500mg test e per week
great starting dosage highly recommended . If needed bump up to 600mg Tops to see how you feel ...
Week 1-4 420mg test prop per week (eod@120mg)
Awesome idea but stick to 100mg EOD if that ... First time using prop as a kicker so want to know your body and adjust
Week 1-10 proviron 25mg day possibly 50mg per day
Get rid of this shit .... Way too early to be starting it . Get to know your body and have a few cycles under your belt before moving on to different compounds
Week 10-14 mast prop 50mg EOD to start bumping up to 75mg or 100 depending on how it goes
On e again get rid of this ... Adding more compounds is only going to make things more difficult .. See how your body reacts...
If anything id run the test Prop and extra 2 from 14-16weeks than start ur pct 3 days after last prop shot
Pct two weeks after last test e shot nolva 40/40/20/20 clomid 100/100/50/50
I will be giving aromasin a try on this cycle if it goes well will use in pct. If not adex as need throuout cycle.
Aromasin is great make sure you start out slow ... 12.5 EOD or EVERYDAY IF UR PRONE ..
Overall looks good minor adjustments needed but good luck and let us know
Sweet Jesus thank you bro, excellent advice I will take everything into consideration.
ANo problem ...
Quick question .. For your balls sakes..
Are you running HCG DURING CYCLE?
That was one of my questions whether or not it would be necessary. Some say heavier cycles with 19 nors other say different. I'm also unsure on timing and length if I do run it. Any advice?
AGlad you asked .. Start Hcg is you use prop if not than wait till 3rd week and run untill last shot of cycle 2 times a week at 250iu each shot Subq injections .
Make sure you test ur Hcg before using a lot of fake out there
AnonI will tell you I ran a couple of stupid cycles using too much gear when less would have been more effective I
will only run Tren Hex now because 200mg per week is more powerful than 400mg per week of Tren e Hex is more anabolic than e and a. I've done 600mg of tren e before I got jacked yes but the sides were unbearable. I will never run Tren e more than 400mg per week again. I'll tell you what I will do for you I will help you with all this when you turn 25 and we'll bang it out how does that sound brother? Well go over other things as well to help you get the most out of it. I have competed in several ebcs here on eroids and have a mma and strong man background. I would never leave you in the dark. May I ask what your 1st cycle was?
AnonWhat does tren have to do with the cycle proposed above?
My only point was that I bet you ran tren before ten cycles thats one of those "random number rules" meant to prevent inexpirenced people from going to fast. I believe my case is different but I digress sir. My first cycle is at the top of this cycle log in the text. Test e and some dbol.
Anonok yes i see it bro my bad.
No worries bro I went a little over board with the info just wanted to be thorough
Anonnot a problem alls good here bro
AnonWe are NOT allowed to encourage members under 25 to use gear or run a cycle. It doesn't matter how perfect it looks. No one will help you with it. You will however receive help with training eating and such.
Look man I'm not trying to be a dick my birthday is in the first part of august I will post my DL if you don't believe me so I'll be 25 when I do this. Im not sure what is going to magically happen after that day that changes everything. What I can tell you is I've put in the time and effort that most young people dont. The age thing cannot be that exact, I believe it to also be greatly geared around keeping young people who know nothing about bodybuilding from thinking that some steroids will make them look like a pro without diet. That's not who your talking to.
AnonYou're technically supposed to wait until close to the end of the year but I jumped on as soon as I turned 25 lol.
Well since we are bing so technical quick question, are/have you done your ten cycles before running tren. Also "Do not tell me how wrong I am if you're not going to explain yourself I am open to critique and minor corrections if need be but don't be a fucking troll!" Your words my friend in the future I'd appreciate the same respect.
AnonI ran tren on my 9th cycle, I love EQ so I did probably 5 or 6 cycles of sustanon with eq and tbol or winstrol and 1 var, I did one cycle with deca and hated it first two cycles were sustanon only 2nd one I added dbol
Lol see you broke the rule slightly. I myself have already decided to never touch tren or decca.
Anonby one damn cycle really dude? lol.
I only broke the rule by just a few damn months lol.
Anonwelcome to trt
Comments like this are not helpful at all. Why would I need trt if I cycle do a pct and recover and cycle again....I don't see tren or deca anywhere in this log. If you have advice then say it I'd be most grateful. If you think something will spontaneously cause my testicles to never produce test again please point it out and I'll send you a reward for saving my life friend.
AnonBecause it's what happens if you start gear before you natural test starts to deplete after youre 25. That's why they preach on here no gear until you're at least 25
No, that's not why we tell them to wait till 25. It's because most males don't finish growing until on average 25 years old. That's the endocrine system is still developing and is more delicate then that of a male who has stopped growing. So when add in exogenous hormones the risk of damage to th hpta is significantly higher then someone who's finished growing. Nothing to do with when test levels start to decline. Test levels typically don't start to decline until 30 and then they drop on average of 1 percent a year.
mustafa5903Dude read the rules. You're 24. You're first cycle shouldn't even have been done especially with harsh oral like dbol. Your pct was also poor in your first cycle.
You need to be 25 to even talk about it here.
Your stats are great bro but you need to be educated on things like hcg before you even consider cycling. I understand you want to ask people here for advice but in all honesty no one will help you because you're not helping yourself by reading the rules or researching more.
I know it's hard to be patient with this shit. But you still have alot left in you especially with your low body fat. See how far dieting/resting/training/research can take you before you consider to cycle again.
Wait wait wait, I understand where you are coming from because I see you got flamed for taking aas to young but do not confuse me with yourself. There is no magic number for staring steroids. Granted I'm a little young what will change in less than 2 months when im 25. I think your using my post to say the things people said to you. Hcg protocol is different depending on who you ask I was just curious what people thought for this cycle. I'm not really sure what you mean by my low bf meaning I have a lot left in me please explain that one. Also you points on the dbol and pct are valid and rightfully fixed I might add. Also I didn't lie about my age to begin with sir.