posted Mon, 06/30/2014 - 15:10
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
6' 175 at 9% 37 years old. Currently eating clean and have been training for the last 6 years. It's time to add a little volume to the picture! Looking forward to input and suggestions!
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Adex | Nolvadex | Clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 250mg x 2 | |||
| 2 | 250mg x 2 | |||
| 3 | 250mg x 2 | .25eod | ||
| 4 | 250mg x 2 | .25eod | ||
| 5 | 250mg x 2 | .25eod | ||
| 6 | 250mg x 2 | .25eod | ||
| 7 | 250mg x 2 | .25eod | ||
| 8 | 250mg x 2 | .25eod | ||
| 9 | 250mg x 2 | .25eod | ||
| 10 | 250mg x 2 | .25eod | ||
| 11 | 250mg x 2 | .25eod | ||
| 12 | 250mg x 2 | .25eod | ||
| 13 | ||||
| 14 | ||||
| 15 | 40mg | 100mg | ||
| 16 | 40mg | 100mg | ||
| 17 | 20mg | 50mg | ||
| 18 | 20mg | 50mg |
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AnonIf you choose to run this cycle your Nolvadex should be 40/40/20/20 otherwise looks perfect.
Made that change. Thanks. Was a typo from an earlier edit!
DHTmanThis cycle and its author arent half bad at all.
At 37yo I cant say dont use AAS but I really think you should bang like 300g protein 10g creatine 10g glutamine and 2g L-carnitine each day for like 3months. Lots of rolled oats and peanut butter too. Bump up like 15lbs natty lbm before the cycle and your cycle would be way more productive. Use the juice to do what you cant do natty.....
I will sit down and refine the meal plan further and see what happens. A little time never hurt anyone. I've went this far, I can go a little longer. With all this said, I would truly like to see what it can do for me when the time is appropriate.
Well looks like everybody covered your weight so not sure if your still planning on cycling but here is a few pointers just in case you go thru with it. I would wait tell week 4 to start your Adex you don't want to crash your estro I've been there done that and your joints will think you later. The earliest you should start ai on long ester I would say week 3 but that's only if estro sides start to present themselves. Bloating, acne, itchy nips. I would start pct at week 14 to 18. Need 2 weeks between cycle like this and pct. I would also get aromasin on hand because some people are none responders to Adex and I would hate to see Ur cycle fall flat because of estro. Maybe consider starting Ur Adex at .25 and adjust from there too. I hope you consider eating more and trying to get your weight up to 190 at least before this cycle. But if not good luck and happy pinning.
No rush to start. I actually have no planned start date at this time, simply trying to plan this cycle out. I do plan to visit the urologist about my current test level and get a thorough exam prior to starting. I will make that change with the adex and pick up Aromasin. I would like to be at 190 naturally. Time is what I need and may just hold off on all of this.
Training for 6 years, what kind of wright did you start out at.
Re your test level from bloodwork - ok for guys our age.
I was roughly 180 with a spare tire. No muscle tone what so ever.
I'd usually suggest getting your weight up a bit further, but it sounds like you've grafted for quite some time to get what you have. If your diet and training are in line, you're a grown man and the cycle looks fine. other than maybe a touch too high on the adex.
Appreciate the acknowledgement. I will bump it down to .25 when the time comes.
Let me add this in, my recent bloodwork showed my test at 415. Does that change anyone's insight as to natty abilities? The serious side of training with an appropriate plan in place has only been the last 3 years. The diet has only been 14 months. I was up to 4,000 calories per day, a diet written by a respected local individual. On came the spare tire. My weight did go up but so did the bodyfat percentage. IMO (of course it's biased) this is the most I've ever weighed and been this lean with the most muscle ever. I was always the skinny kid. Damn you guys are a tough crowd!
Appreciate it all!
Increase in bodyfat comes with the territory when bulking. Some is unavoidable, even on steroids. But you don't have to let it get uo of hand. You can't expect to gain more then 2lbs of fat free weight per month, that's the muscle you out on and the increase on glycogen the new muscle tissue will store. I would try to limit the weight increase to 3lbs a month. But also if you see your gaining to much fat. Add in 30 mins of cardio 3-4 times a week up your intensity in the gym. Not many guys can get huge just doing the stand 3 sets of 10 for 4 exercises. You gotta be intense bro, short rest, drop sets supersets, really shock your muscles in a regular basis. Ever since I abanonded the standard lifting routines and really upped my intensity I've noticed less fat gain and more muscle. This is both on and off gear. But I accepted your friend request. Semd me a message of your current diet, what your actually eating now, not what you should be eating. And your training routine. I'll see if I can make some adjustments for ya so we can add some more muscle naturally and possibly get you on the right track to cycle in 6-12 months.
every one is just looking out for you bro that's all. good to see you take constructive criticism well. there just seems to be an epidemic around here lately of guys wanting to run gear when all in all they truly aren't ready. they could easily hit a good diet and push hard in the gym and get a good natural base before they think about AS'S it just puts you further ahead in the long run. 6 foot 175 is a little light as others have said. I also was the skinny kid but ive put my work in to change that and im glad I did it before I started AS'S as im further ahead then I would've been.
Can't cry about getting beat up when I asked for opinions.
Most everyone guesses my weight at 185-190 but it just isn't there. I'm with you on putting in the work and changing. I felt like I've built a good base to start. I know you guys preach that in here so I was thinking along those lines.
Better cycle proposal than most people recently..good job bud..but add some weight natty before you start the cycle. I'm 177 at 5'8..you should be at 200-205. You can add that very easily with a good meal plan
Thanks. I'm interested in that extra push that will help me reach that 190-200 range. I feel as if I've never had the frame to carry 200 lbs naturally IMO. Sports car not a tank unfortunately. Thanks grandpa!
I disagree with the people that say you need to add weight first I think you are fine to start your first cycle. Just make sure you have your diet right. 300g of protein isn't easy.
Well there's two arguments here, not everyone wants to be massive so 175 is a good starting point, but the other side of the argument is if you don't wanna be huge then why do you need to use steroids to make gains you could have made naturally. Cause they should stil come pretty damn easy at 175lbs
Another point I would like to add: this time last year I was at 9% bodyfat and my lowest weight was 156 lbs. It's safe to say I've added an easy 15 lbs of muscle over the year following all of the advice you guys have offered thus far by following a strict meal plan that added some fat. I maintained it for several months and as the summer approached I begin reducing my daily calorie intake which has put me at 10%, 175. I've become familiar with my body and how it responds to the diet. With patience I'm sure they can come naturally over the next several years, but I'm the classic ectomorph. Lean and mean!
IMO adding test would give me a push past a struggling point. My main goal was to see what all of you thought about the cycle layout itself.
Well the cycle is good bro. Only thing I would do different is 40/40/20/20 on the nolva. And our forum is a big supporter of using an ai on a simple cycle like this. It's not like that on every forum. I would do a real real low dose if anything. I'm just not convinced that you grow best when you don't let your estrogen get a little bit high. Not taking crazy high like in the 300s like I've seen with some people. But personally my cycle I did without an ai I only dropped 5lbs of water during pct. not very much at all and I absolutely blew up on tha one.
The cycle looks reasonable and appropriate. I have to agree with DHTman, your weight does concern me. I realize that you're 37, but that doesn't mean that you've reached your potential naturally. What were you goals during the past 6 years? What was your training like? What was your diet and what will it be on cycle?
What are you goals with this cycle (what does a little volume mean)?
i think you can definitely add alot more size naturally, side effect free. Even with some of the worst genetics at 6ft you should hit 190-200 around the same body fat. And that would be the best thing to do. Max yourself out genetically first, then hit the gear. Since you only weigh 175lbs and you've been training for 6 years I have to assume your diet is not quite right. And without that key piece steroids will do nothing for you. Think of it like this, 80% diet, 15% training, 5% gear. People wanna make it seem like juice is fucking magic and i wish it was, but its not. It just enhances an already great training and diet program. Ive seen it so many times, people using gear with crap diets and all the gain is a few pounds of water and no muscle. Steroids don't spontaneously create muscle, its build through food, and the process is just sped up by the steroids. So I would get very serious about your diet, and over the next year do a serous natty bulk and get up close to 200lbs. You could definitely add 15lbs of pure muscle in a year, and with that increase in muscle comes and increase in the amount of glycogen you store so you could probably put on over 20lbs of fat free weight. I can help you with your diet, i just wrote out a great one for another guy yesterday who wanted to use gear but was in the same position as you. Send me a friend request and a message if you want diet help. But steroids are not necessary here, these gains can be made naturally.
Why do all juice heads want to understate the effects of gear. Sure its pointless to use gear if you aren't working out and fueling your body so it has what it needs for the increased protein synthesis the gear is providing but to give it 5% credit is severely inaccurate.
Because bro, this shit does not just spontaneously create muscle, maybe a little bit but were talking a few pounds. My retard Roomate has been cycling on and off for the last year and a half, he was 216 when he started, and he's 217 a year and a half later. Wanna knkw why? Cause he doesn't know how to eat. I don't give a shit what you take if your not eating right your not gonna make gains. I've seen it so many times, people go on cycle, retain 10lbs if water, and add 5lbs of muscle/fat/glycogen and then lose it all when they stop. Your right tho if someone has there diet and training dialed in the juice makes a big difference, more then 5%. But if you don't not have those first two factors in place your not gonna get anywhere.
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DHTmanMy man, your 6ft 175lbs 9% 37 yo????
Thats pretty light for training 6years as an adult man......
Are you sure you've reached your natural limits?
At 9% 175lb you need more food and cardio mate IMO.
I'm not certain I've reached those limits to be honest. I have some room for growth as I've seen a lot of change in the last year.
Fuck cardio, this man needs food!!
DHTmanLooks good bro.
Only thing id add is aromasin 6.25mg ed during pct to deal with estro rebound from arimidex also would stim natty test and add positive feedback to your hpta and make for a more productive pct...
What are your goals and concerns here mate?
I see your aiming for size but whats the goal weight and whats the diet lookin like? (Other than clean)