12 Week Cycle with Primobolan
Reason:
I've been reading up on Primobolan, and am tempted to give it a go as Im not looking to gain extremely large amount of mass, rather have a lean bulk. I've run 3 cycles before, mainly with test e and mast, as I travel frequently, and it becomes difficult to include shorter esters.
Stats:
Height: 1.7 m
Weight: 84 kg
BF: 15%
Expectation:
By the end of this cycle, if it makes any sense to run the suggested compounds, I expect to shed sum bf, and maintain and build a little lean muscle.
I'm concerned about whether primobolan is right for me at this point, and whether the suggested cycle makes sense. I want to know whether it makes sense to run Test E for 10 weeks, not 12, as I havent run it for that long before, and I've read on numerous forums that Primo should be at least 12 weeks... Also, does it make sense to run Test E at 150mg (otherwise I had thought 300mg), as I just wanna keep the nuts working on primo.
Cheers!
| Week | Primobolan | Test E | PCT (Clomid, Nolva) | AI (Aromasin) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 150mg | - | 12,5mg ED |
| 2 | 500mg | 150mg | - | 12,5mg ED |
| 3 | 500mg | 150mg | - | 12,5mg ED |
| 4 | 500mg | 150mg | - | 12,5mg ED |
| 5 | 500mg | 150mg | - | 12,5mg ED |
| 6 | 500mg | 150mg | - | 12,5mg ED |
| 7 | 500mg | 150mg | - | 12,5mg ED |
| 8 | 500mg | 150mg | - | 12,5mg ED |
| 9 | 500mg | 150mg | - | 12,5mg ED |
| 10 | 500mg | 150mg | - | 12,5mg ED |
| 11 | 500mg | - | 12,5mg ED | |
| 12 | 500mg | - | 12,5mg ED | |
| 13 | 100/40 | |||
| 14 | 100/40 | |||
| 15 | 50/20 | |||
| 16 | 50/20 |
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I would also recommend running Aromasin through your pct cutting it in half two weeks through pct. Aromasin has been shown k help recover natty test. You gotta up the primo dose it is a very mild.compound which takes forever to kick in much like EQ does. I would probably run my test at 250mg per week but the important thing is you have it in there just adjust the primo dose and the Aromasin and you'll be good!
Test is up to you as it is different from athlete to athlete; the Primo on the other hand is to low with a duration not long enough imo. I have ran 2 Test/Primo cycles one 16 weeks and one 18 weeks and both yielded great results. I ran 300mg T enan and 1g of Primo....you don't need to run primo that high however I did based on what I gathered from vets on this site. Imo 800mg primo for 14weeks (16 being better) minimum with a clean diet will give you what you want. THIS IS MY OPINION.....running a G of test will do more bad than good in a cycle of this length and the water retention will be god awful in most cases. The asshole below is an extremely rare individual if he is not holding any water with a G of test a week...I would think there are several other products running around in his body to keep it at bay.
My last blast, I ran test@233mg and primo@875mg per week. I ran this for 24 weeks and gained mass while losing BF. It takes awhile for the Primo to kick so extending the cycle a bit would make sense. Running test low and letting the primo shine is what works for me. You are going to really enjoy your cycle. Toss in some Proviron and you will grow and feel awesome at the same time.
very impressed. I planning something like that as well
jkdmasterA. You always need to run test higher than other compounds you're administering
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B. 400-600mg/wk of Primo works really well. People who say they need to run double that to yield desirable results are probably not lean enough to be playing with Primo.
C. IMO, if I were you, I'd run test at 600mg/wk & Primo at 400mg/wk for 12 weeks BUT
D. With your stats and experience, I'd run test E @ 600mg/wk for 12 weeks and really focus on diet, training & getting quality sleep.
Not always sir. Compounds such as EQ and tren you WANT lower test doses. With primo test can be run lower but with 800mg per week being the absolute minimum to gain from primo you'd have to run more than a g of test which IS NOT safe!!! Cutting drugs such as EQ primo and tren you want lower doses of test so you wont have excessive water retention let the secondary compounds do the work. The advice at the top is spot on! I would do more research before giving further advice
nope nope nope
A is not true my friend. Only time that rule applies is with nandrolone. It's almost necessary to run test higher with deca but that's it. You can run low test with any other drug. In his case his plan is great, the test is gonna make I'm retain water so keeping it low will keep him nice an dry all cycle, but it's just enough to replace his natural levels as the primo will shut him down.
jkdmasterMaybe for you. Test does not make me retain water, even at a gram a week. Want to know why? Diet. Hence, my last statement in regards to his post. Why run primo if you're 13-15% BF? Just run test at a dose that will yield muscle mass. If you have your diet in check, test will cut fat. Moving along..
I agree with the fact that a good diet will help keep water down but not water caused by testosterone. The reason you retain water is the test converting to estrogen and higher estrogen makes one retain water. So If you don't bloat on test then you're not prone to aromatzation and that's the case for some people.
Iron_MonkBahahahah you have a very loose knowledge of AAS
Irongame427 is right. Also water retention isn't totally dependent on diet (electrolytes) but on the nature of the hormone and the ester it attached to. Think Enanthate vs propionate.
Also its the androgenic characteristics of test that burn fat while estro leads to femalr pattern fat deposits. Primo is a dht derivative that doesn't aromatize likr test would. Yielding both anabolic and androgenic qualities with no water retention. Its a text book cutter. Additionally I fuckin hate test. I always run my other compounds higher thru experience ive found I have leaner higher quality gains with lower test and higher accessorie compounds. I hardly ever run my test over 350/week but will run tren 700/week. Why? Cause test and the nature of it WILL bloat you. It aromatizes. Estro bloats you. I get your point about diet tho. But this cycle log is spot on
Moving along...
Lets get back on topic... Thanks. Should I stick to the pasted cycle, or can we fine tune it to yield better results.
As for my diet, Ill be following the "no carbs after 2pm" regimen listed somewhere on this site ;)
Iron_MonkIts the VIKING CARB DIET and yes your cycle is good. You're welcome.
jkdmasterYou hate how you feel on test? Wtf...test is euphoric in comparison to compounds like tren, deca, NPP, & halo. You run tren double your test? Okayyyy...you have ZERO libido. I run a gram of test..do you see any bloat anywhere on me? Spot on? I'm willing to bet big money if he ran his cycle and diet plan the way I suggested and followed a strict diet, he'd be more impressive than he's EVER been. Bet? Hell, I KNOW. How can make a generalized statement such as test "WILL" Bloat you when I have ZERO?
I run tren the same way double my test, most of us do. My libido was fucking insane the entire time. In my experience nanadrolone is the only drug where you must run test significantly higher
Yes although I have seen some posts on here from users that like their test dose slightly higher than tren dose and they do fine with it. Not recommending it but it is done
Iron_MonkTren doesnt affect libido. Prolactin progesterone and estrogen ratio to androgen ratio affects libido. Also one more time for the slow to process-bloat is estrogen dependent which is dependent on aromatase which is dependent on genetics. You dont bloat bad cause of genetics. I bloat like a water buffalo on pharma test @200/week with pharma adex .5mg ed why? Cause my body aromatases like crazy.
Also I feel amazing on tren and sluggish on test. Why? Cause im not you. Genetics bro.
jkdmasterI have a loose knowledge but I'm far more impressive than you...tell me how that works? I'm 5'10" 213lbs @ 3%...CLEARLY..what I'm doing works. Wanna know what I'm running right now? 1g sustanon 250 & 400mg primo E/wk. My pics are just several days old. Do you see any water retention? Lol
You're not running any AI? Even if you are god damn, Is this real life lol. wtf are you doing to maintain that bf? That can't be fun bro lol. You have sick genetics.
I ran my tren the same way and loved it, 100mgs tren a ed and 50mgs prop. I've definitely found my test dose down for cutting cylces but not yet for bulks. I'm gonna run a gram for my bulk with the deca I get close to the 2:1 ratio but I wonder how low dose test would work with something like a gram of eq? Nice lean gains but no water like a traditional bulk. I wonder if the gains would be less then if you were to run high test high eq. I'm with you tho I hate bloating it kills my face man I look terrible with moon face. Diet helps but it doesn't do shit for bloat caused by estrogen.
Iron_MonkTest e 250
Eq 1000
Mast e 600 ??
Now thats a bloat free bulker lol
Id might give it a whirl this winter
Have you ever rub EQ before? You don't need 1g per week of it to see results I'd personally use 600-800mg per week
I like it. I'll give it a shot at some point in my juice career.
Usual administration protocols for Primobolan among male athletes are from 200-400mg per week, for about 6-12 weeks. Which would make very noticeable results... considering you have your diet/training are on point. You have 15% bodyfat, you will shred up. I would up the dosage on the Test E as the half-life of 150mg per week will be insufficient.
Also Aromasin, you probably don't really need it as Primobolan is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone. So it does not aromatize in the body. Hope this helps mate. Cheers
200-400mg of primo will yield very little. To build muscle, typical doses are considerably higher. Run times you mention are also short, primo runs are generally considerably longer.
Should I bump dosage to 600mg for 16 weeks? And what about other compounds, are they still highly relevant for the entire duration?
bigwillyX that i just read about a fella that had it made at a high dose.
bigwillyDo any labs make a high dose primo. Iv never seen any thing over 200 per ml. How on earth would one get enough.lol
Others have it at 200 but I have a friend who had problems with pip
I believe Swoles primo is dosed at 250/ml and its pretty potent. Never seen any other "reliable" source higher than him.